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krishanleong 11-22-2005 10:46 AM

River call... (4-flush board)
 
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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Villian is 53/10/1.6/34 over 1078 hands. I'll post my thoughts on the river in a minute.

Krishan

spydog 11-22-2005 10:54 AM

Re: River call...
 
Call this post something different than the other one.

Cap the flop. Call the river.

BugsBunny 11-22-2005 11:19 AM

Re: River call... (4-flush board)
 
What are MP's stats? I may well be 3 betting preflop here.

I would cap this flop. As the hand played out I think a river call is fine. If I hadn't capped the flop I probably would have raised the turn looking for a "free" showdown, but it also depends on opps aggression numbers by street and does he get more aggressive in HU situations (some normally passive players do), among other things - eg is he capable of bluff betting the river if the 4th flush card hits after I raised the turn representing a flush.

Wynton 11-22-2005 11:20 AM

Re: River call...
 
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Call this post something different than the other one.

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Krishan posts interesting hands, but very boring titles. It's his biggest leak.

How about raising the turn?

spydog 11-22-2005 11:25 AM

Re: River call...
 
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Call this post something different than the other one.

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Krishan posts interesting hands, but very boring titles. It's his biggest leak.

How about raising the turn?

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I don't like waiting for the turn to raise when there are a gazillion cards that look ugly to you. I think it's normally best to fast play a mid-range overpair (77-JJ) on the flop

krishanleong 11-22-2005 11:27 AM

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How about raising the turn?

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This was the original plan. I guess I didn't like the heart.

Krishan

Wynton 11-22-2005 11:30 AM

Re: River call...
 
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This was the original plan. I guess I didn't like the heart.

Krishan

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That's interesting because sometimes I find myself more prone to raise a turn (in position), when a third suit appears. Maybe this doesn't make sense.

krishanleong 11-22-2005 11:35 AM

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This was the original plan. I guess I didn't like the heart.

Krishan

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That's interesting because sometimes I find myself more prone to raise a turn (in position), when a third suit appears. Maybe this doesn't make sense.

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It's not too bad because you can fold to a 3-bet (presumably). Sometimes the river goes wierd when the 4th flush comes though. Not sure of optimal play in that spot.

Krishan

spydog 11-22-2005 11:35 AM

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How about raising the turn?

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This was the original plan. I guess I didn't like the heart.

Krishan

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That's why you need to cap the flop. You aren't going to like any heart. You also won't like any A/K/5. And even T/J/Q aren't going to like very appetizing.

krishanleong 11-22-2005 11:37 AM

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How about raising the turn?

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This was the original plan. I guess I didn't like the heart.

Krishan

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That's why you need to cap the flop. You aren't going to like any heart. You also won't like any A/K/5. And even T/J/Q aren't going to like very appetizing.

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I don't mind K/Q/J/T at all. Saving bets when you are behind to 555 or aces up isn't a bad thing either. It's a fine line between being weak tight and saving bets.

Krishan


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