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theordinaryboy 11-21-2005 09:12 PM

Could you fold a flopped King High flush???
 
Prima Round 3(Similar to party steps) $112.5+11.25 buy-in

5 Left, 4 qualify and get $275.27.5 buy-in 5th gets level 2 buy-in and gets $25+2.5 buy-in.

Player 1 = 7800
Villain = 4000
Player 2 = 600
Player 3 = 1000
Hero = 1600

Player 3 posts sb 75
Hero posts bb 150 and has Kh Qh

Player 1 folds
Villain calls 150
Player 2 folds
Player 3 folds
Hero checks

Flop = 7h 3h 2h Pot = 375

Hero bets 300
villain goes all-in for 3850
Hero????

11-21-2005 09:21 PM

Re: Could you fold a flopped King High flush???
 
hmm i dunno tough one. i call hoping he is either trying to protect a over pair, useing his stack to try and bully you off a draw ( people hate giveing credit to a flopped flush) or just has the ace and is making a semi bluff. i dunno when presents like a flopped k high flush come i want to get all my chips in the pot, and if he his giving me the chance im going to take it ( if hew has the nutts then so be it im signing up for another SNG)shut your eyes and hope for the best. also keep in mind with his chip stack vs. yours knowing he isnt in trouble to go brokeif you have a better hand, he could make the same move with a J10 or J9 flush too.

11-21-2005 09:23 PM

Re: Could you fold a flopped King High flush???
 
I would have to put him on either a flopped set or a mini bluff because with the stack sizes you have given us there is really nothing else. It doesn't seem like he wants you to chase though.

gumpzilla 11-21-2005 09:25 PM

Re: Could you fold a flopped King High flush???
 
There are cases I can imagine where a flopped king high flush could be folded. When you're still on the flop and the action has gone bet-push is not one of those times. Sets, overpairs and the naked A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] can all pull this move. Easy call.

splashpot 11-21-2005 09:27 PM

Re: Could you fold a flopped King High flush???
 
This is not tough at all. I'd call an 9 high flush here.

Edit: after re-reading the payout structure, I could see a fold. Not because you're behind, but because top 4 get the same prize.

11-21-2005 09:30 PM

Re: Could you fold a flopped King High flush???
 
Insta-call. Really though, there are so many hands he could have other than Axh that I think you just have to.

pineapple888 11-21-2005 09:49 PM

Re: Could you fold a flopped King High flush???
 
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This is not tough at all. I'd call an 9 high flush here.

Edit: after re-reading the payout structure, I could see a fold. Not because you're behind, but because top 4 get the same prize.

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Yeah, there are satellite payout issues here, but you already have too much of your stack in the middle. Call.

Slim Pickens 11-21-2005 09:53 PM

Re: Could you fold a flopped King High flush???
 
fold:
Player 1 = 7800 ===> $302
Villain = 4000+525 = 4525 ===> $298
Player 2 = 600 ===> $170
Player 3 = 1000-75 = 925 ===> $223
Hero = 1600-450 = 1150 ===> $244

call and win:
Player 1 = 7800 = $301
Villain = 4000-1600 = 2600 = $284
Player 2 = 600 = $153
Player 3 = 1000-75 = 925 = $210
Hero = 1600+1675 = 3275 = $290

call and lose:
Hero = $0

244 = 290x ===> x=0.84

You have to win 84% of the time for this call to be profitable by ICM. If you're more than half sure he has A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], fold. Call otherwise. I'm calling.

pokerlaw 11-21-2005 09:53 PM

Re: Could you fold a flopped King High flush???
 
by betting out here, you made your decision, call.

11-21-2005 10:11 PM

Re: Could you fold a flopped King High flush???
 
Looks like a set or an overpair to me. He is protecting his hand and wants to take it down here.


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