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QTip 11-21-2005 12:31 PM

What do you think 2
 
Both are unknown.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, Hero ?

Nick C 11-21-2005 12:38 PM

Re: What do you think 2
 
I'd go ahead and fire again.

The poster quite likely has some piece of the board, and a king could be one the the overcards MP1 called with on the flop, but you don't really need to get two folds all that often to make betting a good play. Among other things, CO will bet sometimes if you check anyway.

sean c 11-21-2005 12:42 PM

Re: What do you think 2
 
I think your hand has very little showdown value against two players. Getting raised or check/raised sucks. This looks like a pretty clear check with outs example to me.

Nick Royale 11-21-2005 12:49 PM

Re: What do you think 2
 
I check the flop. We're probably only having 25% equity and no folding equity.

Given the flop bet I think I'm betting the turn.

W. Deranged 11-21-2005 12:53 PM

Re: What do you think 2
 
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I check the flop. We're probably only having 25% equity and no folding equity.

Given the flop bet I think I'm betting the turn.

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Betting will sometimes encourage better As or hands with counterfeit/redraws to our gutshot to fold, which I imagine is the primary intent of this bet.

I think the turn is a good opportunity to bet. The K is a decent card in that weaker As may give up at this point figuring they're in worse shape.

olavfo 11-21-2005 01:05 PM

Re: What do you think 2
 
I prefer checking this flop and hoping it gets checked through, since the chance of picking up the pot is slim against 4 opponents.

If there's a bet behind you and a caller or two before you, you can call with your 7 out draw.

Nick Royale 11-21-2005 01:05 PM

Re: What do you think 2
 
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Betting will sometimes encourage better As or hands with counterfeit/redraws to our gutshot to fold, which I imagine is the primary intent of this bet.


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When I weighted the chance of buying out against the risk of getting raised, I thought that checking was best. It seems to me you're disagreeing?

I can't see how counterfeiting comes into the picture when we're hitting our A and the only draw having the odds to redraw if we turn a 5 is a picked up fd.


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