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wdeadwyler 11-16-2005 07:46 PM

Two tricky hands, top set on coordinated turn, two pair tough turn oop
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($30.10)
Hero ($66.50)
BB ($49.50)
UTG ($71.10)
MP ($55.35)
CO ($38.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, Hero (poster) calls $0.75, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($5) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $2</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $10, CO folds, Button folds.

Turn: ($29) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ???

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB ($43.45)
UTG ($30.65)
MP ($111.40)
Hero ($49.75)
SB ($72.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.75</font>, SB (poster) calls $2.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $2.25.

Flop: ($8.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $8</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($24.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $8</font>, Hero???

Both occured witihin 15 minutes of starting my session. Neither villain had gone to showdown yet. I assume the minraiser is a donk.

CIncyHR 11-16-2005 07:55 PM

Re: Two tricky hands, top set on coordinated turn, two pair tough turn oop
 
I dont see any reason to think youre behind on hte first hand. Also assuming minriaser is a donk, hes probably chasing down a second pair, maybe even worse.

Second hand, as I already said, I like a call down unless the river pairs.

Malachii 11-16-2005 08:22 PM

Re: Two tricky hands, top set on coordinated turn, two pair tough turn oop
 
Hand 1: I hate your C/R. Just lead for a PSB. This really depends on UTG, you might want to shut down, or you might want to put him in. He's either a loose/passive fish or he's slowplayed something that has your two pair crushed.

Hand 2: You really need to bet more on this flop. I'd just stick it in on the turn.

wdeadwyler 11-17-2005 01:42 AM

Re: Two tricky hands, top set on coordinated turn, two pair tough turn oop
 
bump, not interesting, useless without reads? Gimme something...

amoeba 11-17-2005 01:44 AM

Re: Two tricky hands, top set on coordinated turn, two pair tough turn
 
1/2 pot the turn, 1/2 pot the river in hand 1.

I raise the turn in hand 2.

wdeadwyler 11-17-2005 02:10 PM

Re: Two tricky hands, top set on coordinated turn, two pair tough turn oop
 
How often do you think I am behind in hand 1? Should I be going to the felt here.

Hand 2: Does anyone NOT get it all in on the turn?

Mr. Sakuraba 11-17-2005 02:29 PM

Re: Two tricky hands, top set on coordinated turn, two pair tough turn oop
 
In hand 1 i push it all in there.
Hand 2 : I dunno, i just dont think I would feel comfortable
pushing it all in with that kind of board. I think with hte min raise, villian has it more times than he doesnt. Just my opinion

wdeadwyler 11-17-2005 03:21 PM

Re: Two tricky hands, top set on coordinated turn, two pair tough turn
 
Maybe its just me, but in retrospect, what is villain's range on the turn in hand 1? , k6, k3, 36, 45, 33, 66, KK, AA, KA, KQ, KJ??? Am i beating that range?

ajmargarine 11-17-2005 03:39 PM

Re: Two tricky hands, top set on coordinated turn, two pair tough turn
 
Hand #1, IMO the c/r is great. I am very concerned however that UTG (min)raised preflop, checked, and then called your bet. That's very peculiar and I wouldn't be surprised to see KK here. I'd probably bet something like 1/2 pot and seriously consider folding to a raise. Oh yeah, fold preflop also.

Hand #2 is hard to interpret because of your ultra-weak flop bet. Bet more there and it would be easier to push this turn.


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