Plumbers - find the leak
 

This is villians first orbit, so unfortunately no reads.

Which is the biggest leak and why?
A. Flop call
B. Turn call
C. River bet


Crypto ($1/$2)6max (4 handed)

dealt to Hero [4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
UTG: folds
CO: folds
villian: completes
Hero: checks
----- FLOP ----- [T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
Villain: bets $1
Hero: calls $1
----- TURN ----- [T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]][T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
Villain: bets $2
Hero: calls $2
----- RIVER ----- [T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]](3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
Villian: checks
Hero: bets $2
Villian: calls

Re: Plumbers - find the leak
 

No reads 6 max? I'm tempted to say that this hand was played well. With a read, you could find a fold or a raise, but without, I don't think I can. None of these streets are big leaks.

Re: Plumbers - find the leak
 

i fold this flop until i see him betting a bunch in these situations.

if not, i raise, bet the turn, and take a free showdown.

to rank your mistakes:

biggest: turn call
next biggest: river bet
smallest: flop call

Re: Plumbers - find the leak
 

I totally agree. Especially 4-handed. Raise this flop, bet the turn (probably fold to a turn c/r). You need to take the initiative in hands like this.

Re: Plumbers - find the leak
 

Yeah, I think I like Miles's line better. Cheaper way to get to showdown. Showing this hand down is not a huge mistake, however.

Re: Plumbers - find the leak
 

The more I think about this hand the more I dislike the flop call. I think we either have to raise it and take the initiative or fold it with such a small pot.

During the hand, I thought the river bet was for value. Should we value bet marginal hands against unknowns HU or wait for a read?

Re: Plumbers - find the leak
 

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No reads 6 max?

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Should I have a read after 1 hand?

Re: Plumbers - find the leak
 

I don't play any 6-max but the river check by villain just looks like a missed hand so hero most likely has the best hand but what hands will villain call with?

Re: Plumbers - find the leak
 

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I don't play any 6-max but the river check by villain just looks like a missed hand so hero most likely has the best hand but what hands will villain call with?

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Not enough hands that we beat. River bet is a huge mistake. A typical noob mistake is to bet the river when last to act with a weak but possibly best hand. You'll see it all the time at the micros. 3 players to a flop and it gets checked through the flop and turn. On the river last to act finally bets his bottom pair and gets called by 4th pair and loses.

Re: Plumbers - find the leak
 

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i fold this flop until i see him betting a bunch in these situations.

if not, i raise, bet the turn, and take a free showdown.



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This is typically my line as well. Since this villain's first orbit, I fold. Not enough ways to improve on later streets.