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FreakDaddy 11-16-2005 04:20 AM

Push all-in on this flop?
 
I feel like this is poker fundmentals 101. Villian is a little on the laggy side. I know he likes to bluff somewhat, and he sees about 38% of the flops. I thought he might be bluffing and a call might slow him down, but I feel like I would typically push this flop. His hand range is kind of wide, so even if he has a J, he might not have a Q or A. If he flopped a set, well...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG ($581.50)
UTG+1 ($96.77)
MP1 ($247.70)
MP2 ($238.70)
Hero ($112.65)
Button ($89.50)
SB ($104.15)
BB ($110.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $3.

Flop: ($9.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $20</font>, Hero calls $12.

Turn: ($49.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 calls $72.77 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $122.27

11-16-2005 04:28 AM

Re: Push all-in on this flop?
 
i like the reriase,
the fact that he called your bet on the flop and then bet the turn, means he is not sure he has it to me
him pushing the turn is just trying to push you out
i think he has either JJ-QQ-KK, i believe he would re-raised you with AA..... i want to believe he has KTh, becuase your reraise on the flop makes you look like your defendind aginst the flush,

pushing on the flop might have got him out, makes your hand hard to read then

11-16-2005 04:31 AM

Re: Push all-in on this flop?
 
Hero never raised on the flop

11-16-2005 04:36 AM

Re: Push all-in on this flop?
 
right,
got that confused. thats where i would had decided to push or not, on the flop, all in there makes it tuff to call, but i still think hes trying to draw with the flush also

FreakDaddy 11-16-2005 04:45 AM

Re: Push all-in on this flop?
 
So you would push the flop?

11-16-2005 04:51 AM

Re: Push all-in on this flop?
 
im a rookie and more likely to take a chance if i have had a couple winning days. sad but true, thats why i keep tha tables 1$ or under
losing one buy in wont ruin me if im up that much that day or the previous day, espically when i dont think they will call

Malachii 11-16-2005 04:52 AM

Re: Push all-in on this flop?
 
Nope. I don't hit draws. Fish hit their draws against me.

FreakDaddy 11-16-2005 05:05 AM

Re: Push all-in on this flop?
 
unless he has trips, it's almost 50/50 on the flop. I'm just curious about the check/raise. Do people usually push nut flush + two overs in this situation if faced with a check/raise.

whittiphil 11-16-2005 05:06 AM

Re: Push all-in on this flop?
 
Fold turn.

Definitely do not push flop or turn. If you had gutshot straight with 2 overs + flush draw then maybe... but you don't.

Malachii 11-16-2005 05:07 AM

Re: Push all-in on this flop?
 
I seriously doubt he's folding after C/Raising. There's a good chance he either has a set or has you reverse dominated. I don't think there's much difference between pushing and folding EV wise.I'm calling and folding turn unimproved.


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