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Kimpan 11-09-2005 11:09 AM

AT giving up
 
no reads

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($61.21)
Button ($36.85)
SB ($51.60)
BB ($74.95)
UTG ($360.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($8.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $14</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $29.75

Hattifnatt 11-09-2005 11:15 AM

Re: AT giving up
 
Fold to his reraise preflop maybe.

I bet $5-$6 on the flop instead of $7, easy fold when he raises.

4_2_it 11-09-2005 11:16 AM

Re: AT giving up
 
I don't have a problem with your lay down.

Did you give any consideration to a push? I never give enough respect to min raisers, so maybe I am falling into his 'trap' here. I think villain has AA-JJ or AK, which you beat a little over half of his potential holdings if my math is right. This line obviously works better if you have a read.

Godfather80 11-09-2005 11:20 AM

Re: AT giving up
 
[ QUOTE ]
no reads

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($61.21)
Button ($36.85)
SB ($51.60)
BB ($74.95)
UTG ($360.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($8.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $14</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $29.75

[/ QUOTE ]

Without reads, it's a fold. You've gotta get some reads.

AthenianStranger 11-09-2005 12:47 PM

Re: AT giving up
 
I might fold to the reraise preflop and would definitely lead out for less on the flop, keeping the pot smaller so that even if he does minraise he isn't going to be all-in when it's all over with.

11-09-2005 12:54 PM

Re: AT giving up
 
I think I can fold to the preflop reraise. I have a trouble hand OOP.

rikz 11-09-2005 01:12 PM

Re: AT giving up
 
I fold to the reraise preflop.

If I call the reraise and make a continuation bet, like you did, then I definitely fold to the min-raise on the flop. Although I have to admit that I hate min-raises over my continuation bet when I hit the flop for top pair. With AK, I'd probably call the min-raise, check/call the turn, and value bet a safe river card.

Leptyne 11-09-2005 02:14 PM

Re: AT giving up
 
[ QUOTE ]
no reads

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($61.21)
Button ($36.85)
SB ($51.60)
BB ($74.95)
UTG ($360.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($8.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $14</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $29.75

[/ QUOTE ]

There is only one reason to call this flop and that is if villain's pre-flop re-raise represents a Big Pair. If you can flop an Ace you will have hit a really good flop for your hand. Ace, rags, rainbow....about as good as you can realistically expect.

According to Brunson you lead with the strong hand into the raiser. He'll think you're on a steal and pop it back at you. So far you've played this hand "according to Doyle". Now push! If you're going to fold here you had no business calling the pre-flop re-raise.


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