3 Handed Flop - Good or Bad Push?
 

#Game No : 3006042021
***** Hand History for Game 3006042021 *****
$25 PL Omaha Hi/Lo - Tuesday, November 08, 23:53:34 EDT 2005
Table Table 73979 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: louwagie22 ( $36.68 )
Seat 3: BadbeatPhil ( $22.87 )
Seat 5: GMUTKE678 ( $16.31 )
Seat 6: syld941 ( $47.88 )
Seat 8: jrun7777 ( $19.30 )
Seat 10: stopck12900 ( $63.15 )
Seat 2: davebreal ( $27.35 )
Seat 4: timeandplace ( $65.36 )
Seat 7: Foyan25 ( $24.65 )
Seat 9: kuddles2 ( $12 )
stopck12900 posts small blind [$0.10].
louwagie22 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to davebreal [ 9s 2d Ah 6s ]
davebreal calls [$0.25].
BadbeatPhil raises [$1.10].
timeandplace calls [$1.10].
GMUTKE678 folds.
syld941 folds.
Foyan25 folds.
jrun7777 calls [$1.10].
stopck12900 folds.
louwagie22 calls [$0.85].
davebreal calls [$0.85].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, Qd, 4s ]
louwagie22 checks.
davebreal checks.
BadbeatPhil bets [$5.35].
jrun7777 is all-In [$18.20]
louwagie22 folds.
davebreal is all-In [$26.25]
BadbeatPhil is all-In [$16.42]

Re: 3 Handed Flop - Good or Bad Push?
 

I think you better pray for a low card.

Re: 3 Handed Flop - Good or Bad Push?
 

Somebody with a bit more experience can point out where I'm horribly wrong. But you're drawing to half the pot at best (those spades are worthless beyond blockers) and really can't expect this to be a +EV move, fold.

Re: 3 Handed Flop - Good or Bad Push?
 

You should fold on the flop.

You don't want to get allin with only a chance for 1/2 the pot. You have little chance of winning high and if you do get the low you will often be quartered. I think your opponents will often have A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and/or a set.

Re: 3 Handed Flop - Good or Bad Push?
 

I think this is probably a bad play. For one thing I think Phil is pretty solid and not likely to get far out of line. I also think it very likely he is betting with a better flush draw and similar low hand. He could also have AA2x with a spade draw. I have sat at the table with him for several hands and he doesn't seem to raise that often preflop aside from the impromptu 2+2 game (I may have just caught him on a bad run of cards though), so AA with a solid wheel card is a very likely hand. Given the action you are probably drawing to a quarter of the pot, so I think you are better off just folding here. I could dream up some scenarios where you might want to push, but they all involve the third guy being much shorter and you being able to clearly mark him with a nut flush draw. I think you give this one up to a bet and raise.

I\'m a complete idiot
 

It only took me a few minutes afterwards to realize that I had practically zero equity in this pot. Someone else has to have A2, and someone else has to have the nut flush draw here. Heads-up it would have been a good push, but 3-way it's horrible. I disagree with Phil being in the pot, having a bare low draw, and cutting away at my equity, but that doesn't justify my all-in. Certainly a very amateur play by me.

#Game No : 3006042021
***** Hand History for Game 3006042021 *****
$25 PL Omaha Hi/Lo - Tuesday, November 08, 23:53:34 EDT 2005
Table Table 73979 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: louwagie22 ( $36.68 )
Seat 3: BadbeatPhil ( $22.87 )
Seat 5: GMUTKE678 ( $16.31 )
Seat 6: syld941 ( $47.88 )
Seat 8: jrun7777 ( $19.30 )
Seat 10: stopck12900 ( $63.15 )
Seat 2: davebreal ( $27.35 )
Seat 4: timeandplace ( $65.36 )
Seat 7: Foyan25 ( $24.65 )
Seat 9: kuddles2 ( $12 )
stopck12900 posts small blind [$0.10].
louwagie22 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to davebreal [ 9s 2d Ah 6s ]
davebreal calls [$0.25].
BadbeatPhil raises [$1.10].
timeandplace calls [$1.10].
GMUTKE678 folds.
syld941 folds.
Foyan25 folds.
jrun7777 calls [$1.10].
stopck12900 folds.
louwagie22 calls [$0.85].
davebreal calls [$0.85].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, Qd, 4s ]
louwagie22 checks.
davebreal checks.
BadbeatPhil bets [$5.35].
timeandplace folds.
jrun7777 is all-In [$18.20]
louwagie22 folds.
davebreal is all-In [$26.25]
BadbeatPhil is all-In [$16.42]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
BadbeatPhil shows [ 3h, 7d, Ad, 2h ] a pair of queens.
jrun7777 shows [ Th, 6d, 3s, As ] a flush, ace high.
davebreal shows [ 9s, 2d, Ah, 6s ] a flush, queen high.
davebreal wins $4.48 from side pot #2 with a flush, queen high.
davebreal wins $7.14 from side pot #1 with a flush, queen high.
jrun7777 wins $57.20 from the main pot with a flush, ace high with ace kicker.
There was no qualifying low hand.
Game #3006047932 starts.