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sean c 11-07-2005 11:37 PM

Give me a turn line
 
Party 2/4. Villian is completely unknown he just sat down maybe his 4th hand.

Pre flop: Folds to me in the hi jack i open with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] CO(villian) cold calls everyone else folds.

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I bet CO calls.

Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Give me a line.

11-07-2005 11:57 PM

Re: Give me a turn line
 
i think bet/call seems most obvious?

11-08-2005 12:04 AM

Re: Give me a turn line
 
turn: bet-call
river b-c or c-c, depending

I want to see this showdown.

sean c 11-08-2005 12:14 AM

Re: Give me a turn line
 
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i think bet/call seems most obvious?

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Hi Eskimo because you think we are ahead or because you think we are drawing live if raised on the turn?

jaxUp 11-08-2005 12:16 AM

Re: Give me a turn line
 
I think I am bet/folding the turn and river. If we get raised on the turn, odds are he has a better pair with a diamond. If raised on a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] river we lose, and on a non-diamond river we lose. I am trying to fold a T here.

sean c 11-08-2005 12:17 AM

Re: Give me a turn line
 
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turn: bet-call
river b-c or c-c, depending

I want to see this showdown.

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Hi monthlynut i feel no need to show this hand down why do you? FWIW if i did see a river card here i would bet/fold a diamond and check/call any non diamond except a king or queen which i would probably check/fold.

McGahee 11-08-2005 12:19 AM

Re: Give me a turn line
 
Hey - good post
I can't really think of a line I like here to be honest. I really don't like bet/call much at all because I don't think a PF coldcaller is semi-bluff raising the turn very often.
I kinda like bet/fold but if you get called I don't know what to do on the river when a non- [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits - I guess check/call?
If he's aggressive at all I like check/call on the turn because if I were villian I'm pretty much never taking a free card regardless of my cards.
Without a read this is a tough spot.

sean c 11-08-2005 12:26 AM

Re: Give me a turn line
 
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Hey - good post
I can't really think of a line I like here to be honest. I really don't like bet/call much at all because I don't think a PF coldcaller is semi-bluff raising the turn very often.
I kinda like bet/fold but if you get called I don't know what to do on the river when a non- [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits - I guess check/call?
If he's aggressive at all I like check/call on the turn because if I were villian I'm pretty much never taking a free card regardless of my cards.
Without a read this is a tough spot.

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Hi McGahee yeah i felt pretty sick on this one i bet/folded the turn but for some reason i didn't feel good about it. With 6+ bb's in the pot after the fact i thought i might be drawing live often enough to see the river but fold unimproved to a bet. If called on the turn i put my river thoughts in my reply to monthlynut. Let me know what you think.

McGahee 11-08-2005 12:46 AM

Re: Give me a turn line
 
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[ QUOTE ]
Hey - good post
I can't really think of a line I like here to be honest. I really don't like bet/call much at all because I don't think a PF coldcaller is semi-bluff raising the turn very often.
I kinda like bet/fold but if you get called I don't know what to do on the river when a non- [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits - I guess check/call?
If he's aggressive at all I like check/call on the turn because if I were villian I'm pretty much never taking a free card regardless of my cards.
Without a read this is a tough spot.

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Hi McGahee yeah i felt pretty sick on this one i bet/folded the turn but for some reason i didn't feel good about it. With 6+ bb's in the pot after the fact i thought i might be drawing live often enough to see the river but fold unimproved to a bet. If called on the turn i put my river thoughts in my reply to monthlynut. Let me know what you think.

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I actually like your river plan.
There's a good chance he had A,T-Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] if not he almost certainly had at least an A, so at worst you folded a 9 outer getting 6.5:1 with lousy implied odds so it's not the end of the world. Being OOP sucks.


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