Stud with a kill
 

I have recently played in a HE/stud rotation with a 1/2 kill. There is a kill pot when the pot goes above 15SB. In Hold'em, the winner of the kill pot posts an additional blind, but in Stud nothing is posted and the antes and bring in remain the same.

Is this typically the way a kill works in stud? I found it odd. Without the posted bet, the stud was just playing at increased stakes with far smaller antes (relative to the bet size). I always understood that a kill was supposed to increase the action, but this set up would tend to decrease it...

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I used to deal a stud High Low Game with a version of a kill. They called it the Hoggy game. It was 2-10 (2-20 on the end) double qualifier 8 or better for low 2 pair or better for High. If a player scooped a pot of $100 or more he got the hoggy button. The player with the Hoggy button had a mandatory raise to $10. the bring in was $2, so the bring in would bet $2 and then when the action got to the hoggy button he would have to raise to $10 (though I suppose he would be allowed to raise to $12 if he wanted). The antes and stakes didn't get raised, the only thing was the mandatory raise.

This game bounced around a lot of the casinos and it might still be spread somewhere.

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that's fine -- you mandatory raise in the stud game makes sense -- but in the game I have played, just raising the stakes with no other change to the structure is contrary to the purpose of a kill (at least as I understand it).

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If the rules parallel the rules to a limit hold'em game with a kill, I wouldn't see the problem. If the structure is significantly different than this tho, please do explain further. Really I don't think you've been totally clear what you mean.

al

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I used to deal a stud High Low Game with a version of a kill. They called it the Hoggy game. It was 2-10 (2-20 on the end) double qualifier 8 or better for low 2 pair or better for High.

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Sounds like the Friday night game at the Palms; I miss that game.

The Palace Station 3/6 stud/8 was played with a half kill to 5/10 after a player won a hogger pot over a certain limit. I don't recall the limit, but it was small, something like a $40 pot. The winner of the hogger pot also posted a blind, which I think was $5.

On second thought, I'm not really sure the "hogger" posted a blind, I haven't played there since last January. Also, the ante went from $.25 to $50 on the half kill

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If the rules parallel the rules to a limit hold'em game with a kill, I wouldn't see the problem. If the structure is significantly different than this tho, please do explain further. Really I don't think you've been totally clear what you mean.

al

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I believe what he is saying is that on the kill pot the stakes double, but the antes/bring in don't go up. In holdem there is an extra blind to help drive the action but in his game there is nothing to drive the action higher.

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I have recently played in a HE/stud rotation with a 1/2 kill. There is a kill pot when the pot goes above 15SB. In Hold'em, the winner of the kill pot posts an additional blind, but in Stud nothing is posted and the antes and bring in remain the same.

Is this typically the way a kill works in stud? I found it odd. Without the posted bet, the stud was just playing at increased stakes with far smaller antes (relative to the bet size). I always understood that a kill was supposed to increase the action, but this set up would tend to decrease it...

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Garden City in San Jose has a game that works this way, if the pot is scooped then the next hand is 6/12 (or 8/16, I forget which) instead of 4/8. The ante remains $1, and I believe the bring-in is normal, too.

I agree with you that this does not seem to promote action since there is no mandatory bet or raise (other than the bringin) and the antes are smaller.

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What psandman said, basically. This is a half-kill game:

In the HE part of the rotation, there is a posted kill (15 in 10-20 game) to drive the action.

In the stud part of the rotation, the stakes go up (from 10-20 to 15-30) but there is no forced bet to drive the action. This seems odd and incorrect.

(both games are played high-only)

Does the question make sense now?

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Also, the ante went from $.25 to $50 on the half kill

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Damn, that would make me wish I hadn't scooped.