KTs 3-way vs a semi-LAG TAG and an ape
 

SB is a semi-LAG TAG who tilts occasionally. He's pretty ok, perhaps a little loose preflop and generally pretty straightforward postflop, occasionally does donky stuff and has a bad habit of calling down a bit too much. He hasn't been tilting tonight.

Button sucks, not superloose preflop but just incompetent postflop. He's at about 45/15/1.5 or so. Numbers get kind of wacky for these guys though, because I play a lot of people HU, 3-way, up to 6-way, so don't take those numbers particularly seriously.

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4-way

CO calls, Button folds, <font color="red">SB raises</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

6SB to the flop 3-way

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<font color="red">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls

3-way to the turn for 4.5BB

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<font color="red">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls

3-way to the river for 7.5BB

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<font color="red">SB bets</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, <font color="red">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="red">SB caps</font>, Hero says wtf.

At the time of my possible river action the pot is 16.5BB

Re: KTs 3-way vs a semi-LAG TAG and an ape
 

With your reads you gotta call.

Re: KTs 3-way vs a semi-LAG TAG and an ape
 

You are getting a little better than 8.5:1 to call so I think that mathematically it is a fold. One of these guys has the boat that often IMO. However, if you fold the best hand even 1 in 50 times you will be so pissed that you will most likely tilt. I think that your own sanity makes up for the missing equity so I say call. Consider it an investment in your own mental health.

Re: KTs 3-way vs a semi-LAG TAG and an ape
 

Tough one, but I would have to make a crying call.

Re: KTs 3-way vs a semi-LAG TAG and an ape
 

There are two of them which is really sucky. I don't think I can convince myself that there's not an 11% chance that neither of them have a boat. This is probably a little bit wrong, but I think I call.

Re: KTs 3-way vs a semi-LAG TAG and an ape
 

I doubt the button is 3-betting you with anything worse than a split. When the SB caps, I think you can fold this.

Re: KTs 3-way vs a semi-LAG TAG and an ape
 

No flop raise?
nut flush draw + gutshot?

Re: KTs 3-way vs a semi-LAG TAG and an ape
 

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No flop raise?
nut flush draw + gutshot?

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I'm still breakeven even if it's all 3 of us, and the SB 3-betting is costing me money. Although this is 4-handed so I can treat the SB raise with a bit less strength, he's gonna 3-bet me a lot and then I'm his bitch.

Re: KTs 3-way vs a semi-LAG TAG and an ape
 

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You are getting a little better than 8.5:1 to call so I think that mathematically it is a fold.

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No, mathematically this is a clear call. There are far more trip or two pair hands our there than boat hands. Putting the SB on a range of 3-bet hands with an A in them and the botton with the straight, two pair, set, or boat, you have about 30% equity here.

I don't think the action is enough to lower your equity to less than 11% or so, so you should call.

Re: KTs 3-way vs a semi-LAG TAG and an ape
 

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No, mathematically this is a clear call. There are far more trip or two pair hands our there than boat hands. Putting the SB on a range of 3-bet hands with an A in them and the botton with the straight, two pair , set, or boat, you have about 30% equity here.


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So which one has 2 pair? The guy who 3 bet after calling the whole way or the guy who capped?

I think there is no way he is ahead 11% here, but like I said in my post it is worth the lost equity to call and avoid tilt.