Post your set hands...
 

and I'll criticise them for the next couple hours. Put them in this thread.

Krishan

Re: Post your set hands...
 

Villain is LAG

Party Poker 3.00/6.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.67 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 10.67 BB.

Re: Post your set hands...
 

15/30 Hold'em (3 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.66 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.33 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8.33 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.33 BB

Surf

Re: Post your set hands...
 

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Villain is LAG

Party Poker 3.00/6.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.67 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 10.67 BB.

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Perfect. Not raising the flop against a LAG would be a crime. VNH.

Krishan

Re: Post your set hands...
 

Hi Surf-

Maybe this isn't supposed to be a thread for general comments, if so, you can delete mine. I'm someone surprised, however, that you aren't popping the turn or the river. Villain's play is consistent with either 2 pair, an overset or a flush draw. Problem is, with that ace hitting on the turn, it's less likely he went wild without the nut flush draw. It seems that we see two pair or a drastically overplayed top pair/KK more often than a set, so I'm wondering why you don't pop the turn, especially as it makes him pay more if he's got a naked spade.

Re: Post your set hands...
 

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15/30 Hold'em (3 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.66 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.33 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8.33 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.33 BB

Surf

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It's close. I think you need to put in another raise. (Was this 6-max or full) The 6-max games are insane in terms of agression sometimes. The problem is his range is very wide here. Could have something like Q8 or even KK. The fact that the A comes out on the turn makes it slightly less likely that he was getting out of line on the flop with a flush draw. It's also 3 handed and I'm not sure I have ever not put in more than 2 BB on turn + river with a set.

I think raising the river and folding to a 3-bet would be a good line. I think raising and calling a 3-bet would be okay. I think just calling might be a very similiar in EV to raising and calling a 3-bet.

Interesting hand.

Krishan

Re: Post your set hands...
 

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It seems that we see two pair or a drastically overplayed top pair/KK more often than a set, so I'm wondering why you don't pop the turn, especially as it makes him pay more if he's got a naked spade

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Popping the river is better because sometimes hands that beat us don't 3-bet and we give ourselves the chance to fill up. No hand that leads that turn won't lead the river.

Krishan

Re: Post your set hands...
 

Taggy villain.

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, <font color="brown">CO raises</font>, 2 folds, <font color="brown">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="brown">CO caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="brown">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="brown">Hero bets</font>, <font color="brown">CO raises</font>, <font color="brown">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="brown">CO caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (13.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="brown">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.16 BB

Re: Post your set hands...
 

[ QUOTE ]
Taggy villain.

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, <font color="brown">CO raises</font>, 2 folds, <font color="brown">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="brown">CO caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="brown">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="brown">Hero bets</font>, <font color="brown">CO raises</font>, <font color="brown">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="brown">CO caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (13.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="brown">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.16 BB

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AA 3 ways
KK 3 ways
AK 9 ways

You are ahead 3/5ths of the time assuming he plays AK this way. I like the river check call. Leading the river just gets a call from AK and a raise from AA, KK. Checkraising and folding to a 3-bet might be fine but your edge in a baysian sense isn't large enough to warrent it IMO. Nice hand.

Krishan

Re: Post your set hands...
 

my favorite line.