KK hand
 

$22 SNG on Party
blinds 10/15

I am MP with KK, effective stacks slightly less than 800
UTG raises to 30
Heros re-raises to 100
MP calls
Button calls
UTG calls

Flop 9-8-2, two hearts

check to me, I bet 3/4 of my stack, or about half pot
3 all-ins behind me

can I fold getting whatever ridiculous odds I am getting, like 15:1? I mean clearly I should be well behind, as at least one of these players has a set, and I have come back before from very shortstacked, but POT ODDS!!! Argh.


BTW, on another table I had just correctly laid down QQ preflop without putting a chip in the pot and I think Party is testing me to see if I am cheating.

Re: KK hand
 

I don't get it. If the stacks are 800, betting half the pot is not 3/4s of your stack.

Re: KK hand
 

wow, i really think i'm behind in this spot, but w/ 3/4 of MY chips in the middle, i have to call
only have 2 outs, but I have 1st pretty much in the bag if I pick this up, as opposed to having to hit Ax, etc etc..

Re: KK hand
 

guess i missed that too... if 3/4 in I call for sure... half pot bet of 200--- maybe not.... ps. hand histories are nice [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: KK hand
 

Well the pot on the flop should be in the 400 range, so if you bet 200 (leaving 500 behind) then I think you've got a fold here. If you instead bet like 500 or whatever leaving yourself with 200 then I'd probably call, and chide myself for making such a retarded bet.

Re: KK hand
 

Bleh, I would hate this situation. 2 outs with 2 to come is what, 4 percent?

Do you have a heart? That might swing it either way because you could be down to one out (plus redraws) if someone is on the flush draw.

Meh, if you call and win, you coast.

Quick question though. You say you bet 3/4 of your stack, or about half the pot. You should have 600+ behind after the flop comes out. Half the pot is only 200. So that confuses me.

I haven't decided yet. Get back to us on chip counts and betting patterns and I'll have a better idea.

Re: KK hand
 

Sorry about the inprecision, the converter was not working and I just wrote OP roughly from memory. Here is what happened...
Hero had t690 at the start of the hand,
Villains had t690, t730, t945

Hero bet 325 on the flop, so it was 265 to call after the all-ins, so i guess i was getting like 11:1

Re: KK hand
 

You should call. You likely have about 30% pot equity here.

Edit: I hope every one sees that there's just too good a chance that TT, JJ, A9 here, besides the flush draw, and potential straight draw. The only hand you're really scared of is TJs, and AA, which isn't likely here.

Re: KK hand
 

no way you put any of them on 99, 88 or 22?
i think at least one has a set

Re: KK hand
 

I think one of them likely has a set too, although weirder things have happened in a 22 than you being up against a straight draw, flush draw, and an overpair lower than yours (the third guy in particular would have the odds to call with a draw since he has at least two others all in in front of him). So while I'd expect hero to be behind the majority of the time here, it's not a given, and the small chance that he's ahead has to at least be figured into the odds.