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i show up at 11:15 to a house game that has been going all night. 20-40 5 handed

I'm deal K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in BB
utg FOLDS, RAISE (best and tightest player at the table), folds to me, i CALL

flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I check, he bets, i fold.

This was a read dependant play, i'm thinking that if flop comes no ace and he has a pocket pair, i get paid off (he's never seen me before, but i'm playing somewhat loose, he is playing ring game tight and talking about 'fundamentals' as a joke but is trying to prove a point to another guy at the table).

Is this ok? Obviously he is going to be the flop without an ace, but there is no pot to win and i stand to make 1.5 BB's if i play this hand an win, i stand to lose more than that if I lose, and I stand to lose much more often that i stand to win. Do other people make this play (just calling pre-flop)? If no one just calls pre-flop, pretending you did, do you also fold here?

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Eric, you made a terrible play here, Even given this unfriendly flop are still a favorite to have the best hand. Postflop you should check and call all the way. Since you are up against a tight player you dont want to play back at him since you want to induce him to continue to bet all his 2 outers/total bluffs(KQ,QJ etc) So just check and call every street.

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Board: Ad 6h 3s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 43.8362 % [ 00.43 00.00 ] { AA-66, AKs-A9s, KQs-KTs, QJs, AKo-A9o, KQo-KTo, QJo }
Hand 2: 56.1638 % [ 00.56 00.00 ] { KK }

If it was purely hot/cold I'd say call down. But you will frequently win 1.5 BB and lose 2.5 BB. So maybe a fold is okay.

Krishan

Re: I\'ve decided to start posting again: 20-40 SH
 

there is no reason not to 3bet this from the bb playing 5handed.

Barron

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3 bet pf, if your 3 bet reeks of a super premium hand you are not 3 betting enough.
dave

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But you will frequently win 3.75-4.75 BB or lose 2.5 BB

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Can't forget about the money in the pot already.

Also, given his opponent's description, it's probably better that he did not 3 bet pre-flop with this particular flop.

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Even if you were in a particularly risk-aversive mood, I think you need to call the flop. You can then fold if he bets the turn or win the pot if he checks the turn.
I call these plays 'give your opponent the opportunity to make a mistake.' The mistake in this case being he should bet the turn regardless of whether he has an ace. But if he fails to bet, then in essence he has surrendered the pot to you.

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I think you should get out of the habit of using PokerStove in your analyses.

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Also, given his opponent's description, it's probably better that he did not 3 bet pre-flop with this particular flop.

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This is a very results oriented way of looking at it...

Description:

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(best and tightest player at the table)... (he's never seen me before , but i'm playing somewhat loose, he is playing ring game tight and talking about 'fundamentals' as a joke but is trying to prove a point to another guy at the table)

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He says he just showed up and has this solid a read on an opponent who he has never played with before, i dont think so. Im not trying to be a jerk but this sounds like a situation where the read was created (not necessarily intentionally) to justify a very weak play.

-Brad

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Not good.

Obviously, 3-betting preflop is the standard play, but I'm not opposed to smooth calling in the BB with a big hand to occasionally mix it up especially if your opponent will auto bet every flop.

But if you are going to just call preflop, you are under representing the strength of your hand to get more action on a later street and you should plan on checkraising almost all flops, and almost always going to showdown. With a pretty dry ace high flop like that, I'd check call it down most of the time.

Again, you have not shown any interest in the hand so far, all you have done is call and check. Most opponents will autobet this flop in position, so you really haven't gained any new information about his hand and he certainly doesn't have to have an ace here.