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Rubeskies 10-20-2005 02:15 PM

Is there any point in raising here?
 
UTG is 60/8/1
MP is 38/19/2.2

Raise preflop?
Raise the flop?
Raise the turn?
River fold standard I'm assuming?


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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (4.40 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (6.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero folds

Stefan_K 10-20-2005 02:20 PM

Re: Is there any point in raising here?
 
preflop i don't know

the flop seams as an easy raise

if not i rais on the turn, but it's close i think

and yes i fold the river

Turning Stone Pro 10-20-2005 02:23 PM

Re: Is there any point in raising here?
 
You should have probabably raised pre-flop, definately raised the flop, and certainly have raised the turn.

This hand was played very passively, and you allowed yourself to get run down by a hand you were way, way ahead of on the flop.

TSP

spydog 10-20-2005 02:27 PM

Re: Is there any point in raising here?
 
Preflop: I think raising or calling here is about equal.

Flop: No reason to raise the flop. You are either way ahead or way behind and free cards aren't likely to hurt you.

Turn: I certainly call the turn if it completes the rainbow. Because of the flush draw I think it's close. The pot is still small so I think I like the call.

River: Good fold.

Overall, well played.

mcvalenc 10-20-2005 03:27 PM

Re: Is there any point in raising here?
 
I think raising preflop is a bit better than calling, given the 2 limpers' stats. On the flop, I'd call if no one's retardedly loose, and give players who are drawing slim to get into the small pot as cheaply as possible. If one of the donks in there is terrible enough to call your flop raise down with a worse hand though, I'd consider raising instead. I'm not fully decided on the turn, a flush draw is possible but the pot's still small. The river's a very easy fold.

Danenania 10-20-2005 05:19 PM

Re: Is there any point in raising here?
 
I would always raise PF, for value. Flop and turn look fine to me. Wa/wb and you might as well let UTG keep calling with his 0-3 outs (the flush draw is a possibility but a distant one). It's often true in these games that passive gets the money. The river fold is obvious.

KDawgCometh 10-20-2005 05:51 PM

Re: Is there any point in raising here?
 
I think that PF all depends on how loose the blinds are.

this flop needs to be raised and if not the flop, then definetly the turn, you're hand is gonna be so much better then either of these opponents hands so not only are you trying to cut down the field, your also doing it for value

Lmn55d 10-20-2005 06:13 PM

Re: Is there any point in raising here?
 
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Flop and turn look fine to me. Wa/wb and you might as well let UTG keep calling with his 0-3 outs (the flush draw is a possibility but a distant one). It's often true in these games that passive gets the money. The river fold is obvious.



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Danenania 10-20-2005 06:14 PM

Re: Is there any point in raising here?
 
[ QUOTE ]
not only are you trying to cut down the field, your also doing it for value

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Ask yourself a.) why you want to cut down the field (what hands could your opponents have that you want them to fold) and b.) whether raising actually nets you more value than calling.


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