Hand against mike l.
 

Good 20/40 game in LA. I raise two limpers with AKo on the button. mike calls in one of the blinds, four ways to the flop.

Flop is J74 two diamonds. I have no diamonds. mike bets, one limper calls, one folds, I raise, mike 3bets, limper folds, I call.

Before we go on, let me just say that my flop raise is awful, and is just spewing here. When mike bets into the field on a flop like this he's 3betting nearly every time. I'd like to move the attention away from this part of the hand.

Turn is an offsuit queen. mike bets and I call.

River is an offsuit king. mike checks and I check behind.

Re: Hand against mike l.
 

What in the hell justin?

This hand is exactly how a lot of dumb fish play their hands. Put in tons of bets when they have nothing, get there and dont put a bet in.

Not that I think the river check is bad...it just doesn't make sense to call a bet on the turn if you're not even going to bet the river if you improve.

Bad hand sir.

Re: Hand against mike l.
 

i agree. fold this turn and dont raise the flop. call the flop, fold the turn.

and if you're going to call the turn, bet the river with improvement.

Re: Hand against mike l.
 

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.it just doesn't make sense to call a bet on the turn if you're not even going to bet the river if you improve.

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im sure he woulda bet/raised if his gutterball came in [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Re: Hand against mike l.
 

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.it just doesn't make sense to call a bet on the turn if you're not even going to bet the river if you improve.

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im sure he woulda bet/raised if his gutterball came in [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Exactly!

Re: Hand against mike l.
 

If the J is the non-diamond, I like a river bet.

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i agree. fold this turn and dont raise the flop. call the flop, fold the turn.

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Getting like 8-1 with a gutshot and 2 overs huh?

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If the J is the non-diamond, I like a river bet.

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Jack was a diamond, but it shouldn't matter for my river decision.

Re: Hand against mike l.
 

Was this when Mike was "acting" like he was on tilt? I don't think the flop is that bad since you can assume he is 3 betting and may narrow the field for you. You might even have the best hand. How do I not remember this hand? Was I walking? I like the river because Mike was screwplaying like a champion all night.

-DeathDonkey

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Was this when Mike was "acting" like he was on tilt? I don't think the flop is that bad since you can assume he is 3 betting and may narrow the field for you. You might even have the best hand. How do I not remember this hand? Was I walking? I like the river because Mike was screwplaying like a champion all night.

-DeathDonkey

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This was a few hours ago. You weren't there.

You do make a good point about the flop raise that I might have the best hand which makes it closer, but I still think it was spewing. I'm also going to have a very hard time getting to showdown against him with just ace high considering the range of hands I've seen him bet 3bet with.