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10-17-2005 05:18 PM

stigma of being first (or close to it) out???
 
probably been discussed innumerable times before here.

but does anyone have the same problem i do?? namely that you really don't want to put your life on the line really early on 60/40 odds. not really the math of it which is somehwat debatable (people say early chips aren't worth that much), but just the human side.

went with 4 people to a no-limit tournament recently. the other players thought i was really good and i didn't want to let them down...

but really, does being the first person out really make you a bad player??? obvious answer is no, but it's hard to get away from in your mind.

and another thing i thought of, does anyone look at time being worth something?? i.e. take a decent chance (60%/40%) at doubling or quadrupling fairly early. because i've found it fairly difficult to comeback once other people have alot of chips. i think people are much more aggressive these days, and even bad aggressive players are somewhat dangerous in no-limit.

Melchiades 10-17-2005 05:25 PM

Re: stigma of being first (or close to it) out???
 
"but does anyone have the same problem i do?? namely that you really don't want to put your life on the line really early on 60/40 odds. not really the math of it which is somehwat debatable"

No and no.

Rduke55 10-17-2005 05:40 PM

Re: stigma of being first (or close to it) out???
 
Nope. First out or bubbled out are exactly the same payout.

gildwulf 10-17-2005 05:40 PM

Re: stigma of being first (or close to it) out???
 
I would rather be first out than bubble...

mjm 10-17-2005 05:51 PM

Re: stigma of being first (or close to it) out???
 
I will take a 60/40 edge at any stage of the tournament, and I think most players a lot better than me would. I don't think there is any stigma to getting busted early...you will last a few hrs by not playing a hand, it doesn't mean anything. I would prefer to go out early losing a hand where I made the right decision and got outdrawn, then be inactive get blinded down to a short-stack and forced to make a move when I may well have the worse of it.

In fact I would rather finish last than just out of the money if there is some side game action I can get involved in.

transmitt 10-17-2005 05:56 PM

Re: stigma of being first (or close to it) out???
 
Agreed except in the case where there is 6 or so people left, the delta between 6 and 3 is real, and if there is someone else at the table on life support I'll pass on a 60/40.

tek 10-17-2005 07:08 PM

Re: stigma of being first (or close to it) out???
 
If you play enough tournies, it will happen at least once.

Last spring I was in a WSOP satellite at Treasure Island in Red Wing Minnesota.

Last hand in blind level one. I get pocket 8's. Flop is 8 5 3. There's a raise and two calls. I go all in. UTG (who had called the BB) calls, everyone else folds.

He's got AA.

Turn 2

River 4

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The TD was from the RIO in Vegas. This hand was the first all in of the night, so he was announcing it as it played out. I got a round of applause and a goody bag full of crap.

My table was against the back wall, so I had a long walk.

I'd make that play again. I had a chance to more than double up early on top set.

If you have a +EP play early or middle or late, you take it.

Cactus Jack 10-18-2005 09:08 AM

Re: stigma of being first (or close to it) out???
 
As long as you value the opinion others have of you more than you value your opinion of yourself, you'll have these dillemas. If you pass a 60/40 hand to achieve 100% approval, you're losing both.

If they're calling me an idiot because I took their money, call me an idiot and my dog ugly.

CJ

10-18-2005 10:46 AM

Re: stigma of being first (or close to it) out???
 
cactus. i don't think people call you an idiot because you take their money. just a thought!!

Cactus Jack 10-18-2005 12:23 PM

Re: stigma of being first (or close to it) out???
 
[ QUOTE ]
cactus. i don't think people call you an idiot because you take their money. just a thought!!

[/ QUOTE ]

hmmm, that's a shot, isn't it?

You're doing great here. I expect you to be enjoying yourself real soon. Nobody else will be enjoying you, however. When are you going to be referring to yourself in the third person?


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