55: Donk donk, top and bottom pair, what do you think?
 

No reads, comments?

NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:16624923 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Sunday, October 16, 01:34:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 67465 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Trumped_AA ( $930 )
Seat 2: bigb23 ( $1790 )
Seat 3: markoshark ( $1245 )
Seat 4: Abercorn111 ( $955 )
Seat 5: fractals ( $1205 )
Seat 6: Kazman047 ( $920 )
Seat 8: hero ( $955 )
Seat 9: barit50 ( $1155 )
Seat 10: MTWalker ( $845 )
Trny:16624923 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ 3d Kh ]
barit50 folds.
MTWalker folds.
Trumped_AA folds.
bigb23 calls [15].
markoshark folds.
Abercorn111 calls [15].
fractals folds.
Kazman047 calls [5].
hero checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kd, 5s, 3c ]
Kazman047 checks.
hero bets [50].
bigb23 raises [200].
Abercorn111 raises [600].
Kazman047 folds.
hero is all-In [890]

Re: 55: Donk donk, top and bottom pair, what do you think?
 

I play it the same, my feeling is that if someone has a set or better 2 pair, so be it.

Re: 55: Donk donk, top and bottom pair, what do you think?
 

smells like trouble.

Re: 55: Donk donk, top and bottom pair, what do you think?
 

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smells like trouble.

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You need to be getting allin here, and it really isn't that tough of a decision. Think about their ranges, blah blah blah... you're fine here.

Re: 55: Donk donk, top and bottom pair, what do you think?
 

What is Abercorns range here? AK and AA would probably have raised preflop. So what do we beat? KQ? Maybe KT-KJ? An OESD overagressively played? That is about it.

Hero might be good here but it's wrong to say it isn't a close decision.

Re: 55: Donk donk, top and bottom pair, what do you think?
 

unless you have the specific read that either of them are set-peddlers this early in the game (i.e. they're playing 8 tables or something) I don't mind this. AK also raises PF.

However, the extremely dry flop, and the action with two people raising is pretty crazy. I might drop this with reads. If I see either of them on 3 or more tables, I turbo-muck

Re: 55: Donk donk, top and bottom pair, what do you think?
 

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it really isn't that tough of a decision

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look at how dry that flop is. can you really give both guys KT/KJ/KQ, assuming AK always raises PF?

Re: 55: Donk donk, top and bottom pair, what do you think?
 

If I had a set, your T50 bet would scare me. I might raise it up to T200 thinkin you were on the OESD. Then, you've got a big raiser behind. Is he bluff-raising? Does he have KQ, KJ, or AK? At least one of those hands would prolly raise from CO.

I'm letting this big-blind special go unless you know abercorn is a donk.

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it really isn't that tough of a decision

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look at how dry that flop is. can you really give both guys KT/KJ/KQ, assuming AK always raises PF?

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The problem is that your argument goes both ways. You can't give him KK, and K5 and K3 are both unlikely given the action and probability. So we're left with 55 and 33, and two 3's are out. There are very few hands that beat you. Plus people are donks. They could easily have like 77 and KT respectively; obviously I'm using an extreme example to help my case, but you get the point. So little beats you here, there's no reason anyone would think you're that strong (note would, not should), and their range is bigger than people make it out to be.

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I turbo-muck

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I guess you're trying to make a point, but no f'ing way. You put him on 55?