QQ on a great/miserable flop
 

MP is 64/13/3, UTG is 74/3/2.3

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, Button calls, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP caps</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

As nasty as top set can get. I didn't catch MP's call/cap at the time, but that's not so unusual at shorthanded tables with big multiway pots.

Turn: (13 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP caps</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

I was relieved when the superblank fell, until MP raised. Still, he's too aggressive. Am I against a lower set/bad two pair/poorly played draw/random bullshit factor vs an ggressive opponent often enough to 3-bet, or should I start calling down?

River: (29 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Button folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Another blank, but MP's previous aggro has me convinced to call down. Maybe an argument could be made that I missed a bet here, I don't know.

Final Pot: 32 BB

Re: QQ on a great/miserable flop
 

I believe I call down from teh first turn raise.

Re: QQ on a great/miserable flop
 

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I believe I call down from teh first turn raise.

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correct.

Re: QQ on a great/miserable flop
 

After I get raised on the turn I call down (unless I improve to Queens full on the river)

Until then you really have to keep it agressive.
Single [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] out there shall not come cheap and you even have the best hand the majority of the time.

And even if you are behind, you have good chances to improve with 7 outs on the flop and 10 on the turn.

Re: QQ on a great/miserable flop
 

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I believe I call down from teh first turn raise.

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Yep! No value in raising and its goign to get capped and you look like your behind.

Although Mp is VERY AGGRESSIVE i still call down.

Re: QQ on a great/miserable flop
 

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I believe I call down from teh first turn raise.

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Yeah, I do too. I'd miss all kinds of bets here, the board is too scaaaaaary. Boo!

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I believe I call down from teh first turn raise.

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Ditto. That flop cap usually means one of 2 things. Super draw or super made hand. Super draw did not improve on the turn.

Re: QQ on a great/miserable flop
 

Sure we could be agianst a made flush and/or straight here but going for a turn cap is not terrible by any means. We have 2 lots of dead money in the pot at least and apart from the few times our hand is actually good we will improve to a boat on the river a little under 25% of the time. That alone gives us almost the right odds to cap the turn. We are only dead to a made straight flush after all.

Calling down from the turn raise is not a bad line but there is no reason to fear the extra 8 BB going in either being that 4 of them are from certain dead money.

Re: QQ on a great/miserable flop
 

Perfect

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Perfect

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You don't think after the turn raise that capping is spewing?

I am not very good at this game so please explain how this is +EV.