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$22 - QQ Call down

Villain is a multitabler I've played with before. Funny name too.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t845)
Button (t785)
Hero (t785)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t785)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t30, 4 folds, MP3 raises to t90, 2 folds, Hero calls t80, 1 fold, UTG calls t60.

Flop: (t282.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP3 bets t100, Hero calls t100, UTG folds.

Turn: (t482.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets t150, Hero calls t150.

River: (t782.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets t150, Hero calls t150.

Final Pot: t1082.50

Re: $22 - QQ Call down

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Villain is a multitabler I've played with before. Funny name too.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t845)
Button (t785)
Hero (t785)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t785)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t30, 4 folds, MP3 raises to t90, 2 folds, Hero calls t80, 1 fold, UTG calls t60.

Flop: (t282.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP3 bets t100, Hero calls t100, UTG folds.

Turn: (t482.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets t150, Hero calls t150.

River: (t782.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets t150, Hero calls t150.

Final Pot: t1082.50

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raise the flop...

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The check/call is okay because he didn't re-raise preflop. I would personally lead the turn however. Then check/call river.

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Push that flop.

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That's fine, but not if you want to induce a bluff.

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Push that flop.

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That's fine, but not if you want to induce a bluff.

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On a drawing board in a multi-way part I am not interested in inducing a bluff, I am interested in protecting my hand.

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The check/call is okay because he didn't re-raise preflop. I would personally lead the turn however. Then check/call river.

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How much would you bet the turn, and would you call a push?

Remember, it's highly likely he's no idiot.

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On a drawing board in a multi-way part I am not interested in inducing a bluff, I am interested in protecting my hand.

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These guys both opened for a raise - what drawing hands do you put them on? They will rarely have hearts, and I believe the raise of 100 is already forcing a mistake on to flush draws.

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Villain is a multitabler I've played with before. Funny name too.

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None of the betting makes much sense to me, but let's assume he's TA. What are the re-raising hands on L1 for a TA multi-tabler? AA, KK, AK, maybe other pairs if he's feeling frisky. So who's trapping who?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t30, 4 folds, MP3 raises to t90, 2 folds, Hero calls t80, 1 fold, UTG calls t60.

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You just called behind, so you have not clarified anything. I pop it up to 250. If you are re-raised, put him on aa or kk, you fold, on to the next hand.
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Flop: (t282.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP3 bets t100, Hero calls t100, UTG folds.

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Why is he betting a third of the pot? Continuation bluff? Trying to keep you in? Or blocking bet for a draw, maybe AKs? Who knows?

Here's a idea: pop him back and find out.

For the rest of the action, I guess if you're determined to call him down, so be it. But it's far from clear you are ahead, so why are you trying to "induce a bluff"?

You didn't ask a question in your initial post, so I'm not even sure why you posted. But those are my thoughts.

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Villain is a multitabler I've played with before. Funny name too.

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None of the betting makes much sense to me, but let's assume he's TA. What are the re-raising hands on L1 for a TA multi-tabler? AA, KK, AK, maybe other pairs if he's feeling frisky. So who's trapping who?

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Original PFRer minraised. Don't you think his reranging hands are a little wider than that? I would say TT+, AQ+ atleast.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t30, 4 folds, MP3 raises to t90, 2 folds, Hero calls t80, 1 fold, UTG calls t60.

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You just called behind, so you have not clarified anything. I pop it up to 250. If you are re-raised, put him on aa or kk, you fold, on to the next hand.

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I don't like reraising for two positions. Pot size control is gone completely. And I'm out of position. Although is it worth it to knock out UTG?

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Flop: (t282.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP3 bets t100, Hero calls t100, UTG folds.

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Why is he betting a third of the pot? Continuation bluff? Trying to keep you in? Or blocking bet for a draw, maybe AKs? Who knows?

Here's a idea: pop him back and find out.

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I think he has AQ+ here more than all other hands. His bet was fairly small and could have been a probe/continuation bet. If I popped him here, it wouldn't be to find out what he has - it would be to fold it, yet loose as little as I can to hands to beat me. Any suggestions on bet amounts? I want to keep the pot small though - I'm afraid of commitment.

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For the rest of the action, I guess if you're determined to call him down, so be it. But it's far from clear you are ahead, so why are you trying to "induce a bluff"?

You didn't ask a question in your initial post, so I'm not even sure why you posted. But those are my thoughts.

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I don't think it's clear that I'm always ahead here.

I think every street is debatable. I don't have any specific questions, I want to start discussion on every street. It seems to work, because you evaluated multiple streets without me asking for anything.