58o and hit straight but...
 

First hand at the table...

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG folds, MP1 folds, Hero ???

My question:

Is there anyway that we fold this? It seems to me that I got C/R by the flush, but it's my first hand at the table so...

It's gonna cost me 2 bets more than likely to get a showdown for a 9BB effective pot yes?

Re: 58o and hit straight but...
 

I'm calling down, and probably crying.

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My advice is, unless you can get in at the CO, then wait for the big blind to hit your seat to post. Use the 4-5 hands downtime to observe your opponents.

Re: 58o and hit straight but...
 

You're effectively getting 12:2 on a calldown.

BB could have been slowplaying 54 from the beginning, if you're looking for a reason to make that calldown. There's also some chance he has the same hand you do (though he'll often have a club even then and a chance to take the whole pot).

You're probably drawing dead against a flush, though.

Re: 58o and hit straight but...
 

WTF? The sb bets the flop checks the turn why wouldn't the bb bet the turn if he had the flush? The action on this turn is just goofy enough that I would probably pay it off. FWIW if the bb did check his flush on the turn you are sitting at the table with one sweet fishy. He could also have a better straight but like i said when i see a play this strange i lean towards calling it down. I think your good here more often than you think and if nothing else i want to know what hand he has that he plays this way.

Re: 58o and hit straight but...
 

I think that its worth calling BB's raise down.

Its just possible that he may have been 3-betting the turn with something like 2 pair or a set, as opposed to the flush.

Its even possible that BB may have decided to bluff when he saw the turn flush card.

In addition, I think that I would have raised the flop with your OESD. Even though the flop had a 2 flush, with 6 clean outs and 4 opponents, I believe that your raise would have been for value.

A flop raise may also have bought you a free card to complete your straight if you missed on the turn.

By the way, well done for easily beating me in the MLL. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: 58o and hit straight but...
 

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My advice is, unless you can get in at the CO, then wait for the big blind to hit your seat to post. Use the 4-5 hands downtime to observe your opponents.

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I know what you're saying, but I don't like doing this...I always put a note on a player that waits almost an entire revolution for the blinds. But it would certainly would help:)

And I did have PT running before I sat down, I just don't give much credence to 30-40 hands. It's just nice to get a Table VPIP so I know where to sit [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Re: 58o and hit straight but...
 

Grunch

Posting in MP2/3 (9 handed table means you are closer to the blinds) isn't something I normally do. Wait for the blinds and observe the action.

Flop: Easy raise. See: pot equity. Plus, a raise here means mabye only two big bets going in on the turn when you fall behind to a flush.
Turn: I raise here as well, but the BB check-raise is a little scary. It's heads-up now, so if you go into calldown mode, you'll be getting from 5-1 to 6-1 on your money. You'll need to have your hand hold up at least 16% of the time here, and probably more since there are at least 8 outs that you almost can't call on the end (the remaining clubs).

I showdown here and make some notes on both BB and MP1. Check-3-betting and bet/folding are both interesting enough plays for me to take note of, and even if this is slightly -EV from a mathematical standpoint, the reads may make up for it.

Re: 58o and hit straight but...
 

And if you really just want to observe you don't need to be seated. :/

Re: 58o and hit straight but...
 

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I always put a note on a player that waits almost an entire revolution for the blinds

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A note with this information is not very useful. PT and PA will pop their stats up eventually, and tight players don't get that way on accident.

I note when someone does something horrible - like posting UTG, or interesting - like check-3-betting in this hand.

Re: 58o and hit straight but...
 

Flop raise would be good, for value and free card, as everyone else is saying. I'm sorry, I have to get better at focusing on every street.

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I always put a note on a player that waits almost an entire revolution for the blinds. But it would certainly would help:)


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Not trying to harp this point, because I don't think it's a big deal. It's not like you posted UTG or something. But while you're taking notes, most of your opponents at .5/1 aren't. Many didn't even notice that you are a different player than the guy in your seat 2 minutes earlier. The ones that are observing will quickly become apparent through their play, and you'll know to watch out for them anyway. So I wouldn't worry about it too much.