Crap from SB, all streets debatable
 

All of my opponents are the usual 1/2 suspects for 1/2 6m (exceptionally loose pf, will call any single bet with the nut low) . I'm amazed MP and CO can work a mouse; they're like 90VPIP ea. BB is new to the table but seems aggressive pre and post over a small sample size. I'm not sure if I can bet-fold the river safely here. I'm curious about everyone's opinions on all streets, including the preflop play.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, MP folds, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Re: Crap from SB, all streets debatable
 

I call it down as well.

I think in the long run this scenario is +EV to call down.

Re: Crap from SB, all streets debatable
 

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I'm not sure if I can bet-fold the river safely here

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this was gonna be my question. the rest i play the same, but i'm really tempted to put another bet or c/r somewhere because villain would think you have a lot of hands besides an Ace and would play premium hands the same way.

Re: Crap from SB, all streets debatable
 

I'm not confident that BB would raise a hand we beat here. I might check this flop and see what the other guys do in response to BB's inevitable bet.

Re: Crap from SB, all streets debatable
 

That was my biggest concern and IMO the flop is the most debatable street. But even if the BB would never raise a hand that we beat (which I don't think is the case), there's a good chance he'll just call the flop with 2 outs. From my standpoint during the flop lead there was a chance that I wouldn't be raised at all and a chance that a worse hand would raise me. And the pot is getting larger at this point.

The other reason I didn't want to check is because the 1/2 donks will peel with all sorts of crap for a single bet (on top of the few legitimate drawing hands out there in this size pot), and the flop could quite easily go (Hero checks)-bet-call-call with all worse hands, putting Hero in a tough place.

Re: Crap from SB, all streets debatable
 

What about checking the flop, and if you are not HU by the turn, donkbetting? I'm not sure about this line, just tossing it out for discussion.

Re: Crap from SB, all streets debatable
 

It seems like we're waiting because we don't know how to handle a flop raise here. So does the donkbet help us know how to handle a turn raise? A donk would look a little more like a shot at the pot to an aggressive Villain so I'm still unsure if we can get away from a turn raise. We may still be stuck calling down, this time for an extra SB.

Re: Crap from SB, all streets debatable
 

Don't bet the flop. Just wait to see what develops.

Re: Crap from SB, all streets debatable
 

Aaron, what's your flop and turn plan if the flop goes check-bet-call-call-Hero...?

Re: Crap from SB, all streets debatable
 

Actually, I have decided I hate my turn donk suggestion. It's pretty terrible. However, I think we have no need to fear a better A from MP or CO if it goes bet-call-call with the exception of a slowplayed A4 or A9. AT is sometimes a PFR, and AJ+ are very frequently raised preflop. Thus, in the case of bet-call-call, then the only A we need to fear is any A in the hands of BB, or a turn raise from the two donks. If it goes bet-call-call, I'm calling and checking the turn, again calling one back to me. For the river, I think we can bet if it's HU, or check and call if it's not (overcalling what is likely to be a weak hand that will pad the pot for the times we're dominated).