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Duffman 09-30-2005 07:13 PM

AQ hand - is this standard?
 
Just sat down so no reads.

SB is 40/13 over 40 hands
MP2 is 26/6 over 40 hands

I didn't take these stats too seriously because it's only 40 hands.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

I didn't want to raise because I'm out of position here. Should I?

Flop: (6 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

thesharpie 09-30-2005 07:18 PM

Re: AQ hand - is this standard?
 
Don't see much point in raising apart from maybe clearing up some outs, but you might not get him to fold anyway and there's a good chance you're up against an overpair that's going to 3 bet. I peel. Call the turn, if he has something like KK you have up to 10 outs.

Edit: Maybe folding the flop is best I'll have to look deeper later.

benkath1 09-30-2005 07:19 PM

Re: AQ hand - is this standard?
 
That was a crazy game of poker you just played.

I 3 bet an open raiser with AQo in the BB all day long.

I don't know what you were doing on the flop. You have a gutshot and a back door flush draw. I don't think raising is the best play.

Duffman 09-30-2005 07:27 PM

Re: AQ hand - is this standard?
 
I raised to try to get MP out.

benkath1 09-30-2005 07:29 PM

Re: AQ hand - is this standard?
 
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I raised to try to get MP out.

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But MP has already shown aggression preflop. With no reads, and a raggedy flop, did you think he would fold?

09-30-2005 07:38 PM

Re: AQ hand - is this standard?
 
[ QUOTE ]
That was a crazy game of poker you just played.

I 3 bet an open raiser with AQo in the BB all day long.

I don't know what you were doing on the flop. You have a gutshot and a back door flush draw. I don't think raising is the best play.

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He had around 10 outs on the flop and 8sb's in the pot...he easily has the odds to call, do you not think raising is a good move here to try and force the preflop raiser out ? I do, but then I'm a n00b [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I like the play so far and think you JUST ABOUT have the odds to call on the turn.

benkath1 09-30-2005 07:49 PM

Re: AQ hand - is this standard?
 
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[ QUOTE ]
That was a crazy game of poker you just played.

I 3 bet an open raiser with AQo in the BB all day long.

I don't know what you were doing on the flop. You have a gutshot and a back door flush draw. I don't think raising is the best play.

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He had around 10 outs on the flop and 8sb's in the pot...he easily has the odds to call, do you not think raising is a good move here to try and force the preflop raiser out ? I do, but then I'm a n00b [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I like the play so far and think you JUST ABOUT have the odds to call on the turn.

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Yes, you are still drawing though. Why raise and have MP 3-bet and blow out SB?

thesharpie 09-30-2005 07:49 PM

Re: AQ hand - is this standard?
 
yea peel teh flop.

Yerma 09-30-2005 07:50 PM

Re: AQ hand - is this standard?
 
I think you have to call and see the river. Your Ace and maybe even your Queen could well be outs. Your gutshot should be good for the whole pot most of the time. You're getting good enough odds to see a river.

If you hit the Ace or your gutshot, I would donk the river. The Queen is good for a check-call imho. But I wouldn't call a river bet without improvement.

09-30-2005 07:52 PM

Re: AQ hand - is this standard?
 
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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
That was a crazy game of poker you just played.

I 3 bet an open raiser with AQo in the BB all day long.

I don't know what you were doing on the flop. You have a gutshot and a back door flush draw. I don't think raising is the best play.

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He had around 10 outs on the flop and 8sb's in the pot...he easily has the odds to call, do you not think raising is a good move here to try and force the preflop raiser out ? I do, but then I'm a n00b [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I like the play so far and think you JUST ABOUT have the odds to call on the turn.

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Yes, you are still drawing though. Why raise and have MP 3-bet and blow out SB?

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OK so the fact he's shown agression puts you off raising. I'm guessing you would raise if he just limped preflop ?


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