Should I have smooth called for value?
 

I understand that cc with j10s is generally a bad play. But since everyone at this table seems to be loose/passive I thought I had great post-flop edge. The fact that I knew guy behind me would also cc was a plus too.

My question is, should I have smooth called on this flop knowing that theres a great chance others will call behind me?
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Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls.

River: (10.20 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 12.20 BB

Re: Should I have smooth called for value?
 

I raise this flop

Re: Should I have smooth called for value?
 

I really don't like the flop coldcall. I'd rather have better position and a stronger hand before considering it. Your hand is strong but vulnerable on the flop, so I'd definitely raise.

Re: Should I have smooth called for value?
 

There is no other way to play it...

Re: Should I have smooth called for value?
 

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I really don't like the flop coldcall. I'd rather have better position and a stronger hand before considering it. Your hand is strong but vulnerable on the flop, so I'd definitely raise.

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I don't think our hand is really that vulnerable. Either Hero has the PFR drawing to 4 outs or the PFR has an overpair and is never folding or giving a free card. The players behind our Hero are likely drawing to less than 4 outs.

I'd probably just call/call/call unless I improve and give the chance for the looseys behind me a better chance to dump money into the pot with no shot to win.

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I really don't like the flop coldcall. I'd rather have better position and a stronger hand before considering it. Your hand is strong but vulnerable on the flop, so I'd definitely raise.

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I don't think our hand is really that vulnerable. Either Hero has the PFR drawing to 4 outs or the PFR has an overpair and is never folding or giving a free card. The players behind our Hero are likely drawing to less than 4 outs.

I'd probably just call/call/call unless I improve and give the chance for the looseys behind me a better chance to dump money into the pot with no shot to win.

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Yeah I guess his hand isn't as vulnerable as I thought originally considering his flush draw taints a lot of overcard outs, but it isn't a monster either. I think the possibility of getting action from one or both of the players behind us is too good to pass up. We just have too much equity and the pot's a decent size already.

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I really don't like the flop coldcall. I'd rather have better position and a stronger hand before considering it. Your hand is strong but vulnerable on the flop, so I'd definitely raise.

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I don't think our hand is really that vulnerable. Either Hero has the PFR drawing to 4 outs or the PFR has an overpair and is never folding or giving a free card. The players behind our Hero are likely drawing to less than 4 outs.

I'd probably just call/call/call unless I improve and give the chance for the looseys behind me a better chance to dump money into the pot with no shot to win.

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the above is what I had in mind when I made this post. See the "looseys" will call with 1 overcard or even 2 undercards on this board even drawing to runner runner at times. But I still see a very srong arguement for raising as there is a small possibility one of the bafoons will cc with bottom pair or even ace high.