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The Truth 09-26-2005 07:19 AM

standard 10-25 NL hand.
 
10-25 NL live 10 handed.

I have 4k. TAG has 5k.

TAG raises UTG to 100. 1 fish calls. I call with 88 in CO.
SB calls.

Flop comes As Qs 8d

TAG bets 200. 1 fold. I raise it to 600. SB folds. Tag calls.

Turn is 2h.

action and plan?



-blake

jrforman 09-26-2005 07:38 AM

Re: standard 10-25 NL hand.
 
I think a true TAG pops you back with a bigger set here considering this is a very draw heavy board. I like a bet of 500-700 here on the turn and a nice value bet for a 1,000 on river.

Hattifnatt 09-26-2005 07:41 AM

Re: standard 10-25 NL hand.
 
Bet something like $1200 if he checks to you.

Spladle Master 09-26-2005 07:54 AM

Re: standard 10-25 NL hand.
 
I would either flat-call the flop or make it $1000 to go, leaning towards making it $1000 to go. As played pot the turn.

jrforman 09-26-2005 08:51 AM

Re: standard 10-25 NL hand.
 
Why do you guys advocate betting so much on the turn? Its unlikely he is on a draw, as the only possible hand he could have that a TAG would raise is K/Q suited which I think is a stretch. Plus, you are letting hands that you dominate such as A/K or A/Q even to fold without getting any more money.

Hattifnatt 09-26-2005 08:54 AM

Re: standard 10-25 NL hand.
 
For example to get the maximum in case he has AQ. Js Ts is a possible holding as well if he's a little tricky.

Spladle Master 09-26-2005 09:10 AM

Re: standard 10-25 NL hand.
 
If he is dropping AQ on the turn to a pot bet given the action so far, your cards don't really matter and you can never lose. Do you see why?

Spladle Master 09-26-2005 09:10 AM

Re: standard 10-25 NL hand.
 
[ QUOTE ]
For example to get the maximum in case he has AQ. Js Ts is a possible holding as well if he's a little tricky.

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jrforman 09-26-2005 10:18 AM

Re: standard 10-25 NL hand.
 
So you always assume your opponent has a huge draw or a great second best hand? If so, thats logically flawed. The most plausible holding here for villain here is A/K and sometimes he will have A/Q. Even if he has A/Q he is still drawing to only four outs and you want him to draw and/or have A/K to come along for at least another bet. You guys are getting greedy by potting the turn here and give yourself no out in case he is a little tricky and has a better set.

Spladle Master 09-26-2005 10:22 AM

Re: standard 10-25 NL hand.
 
[ QUOTE ]
So you always assume your opponent has a huge draw or a great second best hand? If so, thats logically flawed. The most plausible holding here for villain here is A/K and sometimes he will have A/Q. Even if he has A/Q he is still drawing to only four outs and you want him to draw and/or have A/K to come along for at least another bet. You guys are getting greedy by potting the turn here and give yourself no out in case he is a little tricky and has a better set.

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Okay, so you are assuming that he will not call a pot bet on the turn unless he can beat TPTK. And he will never make an aggressive move with less than the third nuts. Your cards do not matter. And it is impossible for you to lose. Do you see why?


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