Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
 

I feel the need to crank out that Geto Boys tune every time I have a hand like this...

FYI, this is why you can beat Party 1/2 sixmax. You dont win by forcing people out of pots. You win by making value bet after value bet, no matter how thin.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (12 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Turn: (8.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds, MP calls, CO calls.

River: (12.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP folds, CO folds.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Js Jd (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.50 BB. </font>

Re: Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
 

How is this particular instance a value bet if they all fold? Or maybe you mean it has value over the long run. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
 

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I feel the need to crank out that Geto Boys tune every time I have a hand like this...

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Lol. This is my victory song when I win a tournament. I love how the first verse goes "A real gangsta ass nigga plays his cards right".

Re: Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
 

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How is this particular instance a value bet if they all fold? Or maybe you mean it has value over the long run. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I mean the value bets on the flop and turn.

The river is a thin value bet because a 9 or an 8 could still calldown. I've seen it happen.

Re: Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
 

Yes a 9 or 8 could call, but into 3 other players? I stink at SH, but I dislike betting this river.

Re: Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
 

There is no way I can checkcall this river. People can have draws of anything, or an 8 or 9. There's 12.5BB's.

If the pot's any smaller I'm more likely to checkfold.

Re: Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
 

I like the value bet better than a check/call for sure, and I think it's better than a check/fold here because we're good often enough relative to the size of the pot. A 9, 8, or PP will call but not bet.

Re: Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
 

looks like they missed their gutshots. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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River: (12.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP folds, CO folds.

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What would have been your action if the River got raised?

Re: Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
 

Fold, of course.

The money you make from the thin value bets exceeds the risk of getting raised on the river.

Besides, it's 1/2. People don't have the smarts to use metagame and bluff raise me on the river. Nobody ever bluffs on the river in 1/2.