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Foribald 09-18-2005 02:50 PM

A big laydown... correct? (PP 10/20)
 
No stats on theese players... I was sure of a set or a flush. Even if the didn't have that I was sure to lose if another club came. It was to expensiove to se a showdown... Correct?

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (16 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (14 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero folds, BB calls.

River: (24 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO calls.

Final Pot: 24.92 BB

7ontheline 09-18-2005 02:53 PM

Re: A big laydown... correct? (PP 10/20)
 
But you have a gutshot straight flush draw! Looks like a tough, but good laydown, as long as you know the opponents aren't nuts.

Poldi 09-18-2005 04:12 PM

Re: A big laydown... correct? (PP 10/20)
 
Confusing action, CO limp-reraises preflop, calls the flop and the caps cold. I think he either has A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A, K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K or something like AQs where I dont understand how he ever could limpreraise it. Without a read I think he could really be overplaying AA or KK given his strange play.
BB really worries me though, he raised from the BB, indicating a strong hand, even more when he caps.
He never slowed down, he has the nutflush, JJ, A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A or K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K.
I think the only way they could give you that action without having you beat is if one has AA and the other KK, both with a club included. They must be extremely aggro though not to slow down at all.
Conclusion: I think your fold is good although the pot is HUGE. You will have to pay 4-6 more bets to see the river and even if you are ahead (which is unlikely after all that action), any club or 2 will cripple your holding.

Foribald 09-18-2005 06:24 PM

Re: A big laydown... correct? (PP 10/20)
 
Thxa lot for the analasys... One big thing I missed thogh was that they didn't have that much money at the table so one of the guys got all in on the river after 2bets. But still way to expensive to se a showdown when it's big risk I'm drawing ded

The winning hand was Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q

Just wanted someone else to tell me I did the right play.

Poldi 09-18-2005 06:41 PM

Re: A big laydown... correct? (PP 10/20)
 
Hmm I think one guy being shortstacked is a pretty important fact. Most players spew way more chips in these situations.
At 3/6 IŽd say that doesnt make much of a difference (since the other guys has you beat anyways) but I think at 10/20 we can give the other guy some credit to notice too that villain is shortstacked and thinking he may be spewing off his last chips, therefore giving more action than warranted.
In this case the pot is too big for me to fold.
Of course this may be a bit resultsoriented, I dont know. But I think it really changes the situation and I just dont see myself folding a flush in this case.


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