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kurosh 09-14-2005 06:08 PM

I don\'t get it
 
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http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1219414
pokenum -h ks 2s - jd td - 2h 3h -- kh tc 7h
Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing Tc Kh 7h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks 2s 453 50.17 450 49.83 0 0.00 0.502
Jd Td 117 12.96 786 87.04 0 0.00 0.130
3h 2h 333 36.88 570 63.12 0 0.00 0.369

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[ QUOTE ]
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1219418
pokenum -h ks 2s - 3d td - 2h 3h -- kh tc 7h
Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing Tc Kh 7h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks 2s 483 53.49 420 46.51 0 0.00 0.535
Td 3d 86 9.52 817 90.48 0 0.00 0.095
3h 2h 334 36.99 569 63.01 0 0.00 0.370

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NLSoldier 09-14-2005 06:13 PM

Re: I don\'t get it
 
huh?

sweetjazz 09-14-2005 06:15 PM

Re: I don\'t get it
 
In the second hand, player 2 no longer can make the best hand with Jc or Js. That's the main difference.

The reason 3h 2h goes up in value by .001 is probably due to the fact that in hand 1, you can make the flush with the Jh but lose to a full house jacks over tens or tens over jacks.

kurosh 09-14-2005 06:16 PM

Re: I don\'t get it
 
Board is Kh Tc 7h.

Two situations. In one, the hands are:
3h 2h
Jd Td
Ks 2s

In the second:
3h 2h
3d Td
Ks 2s

3h 2h has more equity in the second situation. I don't get it.

Edit: fix0red

sweetjazz 09-14-2005 06:18 PM

Re: I don\'t get it
 
[ QUOTE ]
Board is Kh Tc 7h.

Two situations. In one, the hands are:
3h 2h
Jd Td
Ks 2s

In the second:
3h 2h
3d Td
Ks 2s

3h 2h has more equity in the first situation. I don't get it.

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No it has more equity in the second situation, because it can't make a flush with the Jh that becomes boated.

istewart 09-14-2005 06:21 PM

Re: I don\'t get it
 
I think it might be because in the second hand one of Td3d's backdoor full house outs is in the hand of the guy with 3h2h.

istewart 09-14-2005 06:22 PM

Re: I don\'t get it
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Board is Kh Tc 7h.

Two situations. In one, the hands are:
3h 2h
Jd Td
Ks 2s

In the second:
3h 2h
3d Td
Ks 2s

3h 2h has more equity in the first situation. I don't get it.

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No it has more equity in the second situation, because it can't make a flush with the Jh that becomes boated.

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Or this.

flawless_victory 09-14-2005 06:53 PM

Re: I don\'t get it
 
what the hell is everyone talking about?
in the second hand one of the middle pair's outs is in the flush draw's hand.

istewart 09-14-2005 06:56 PM

Re: I don\'t get it
 
[ QUOTE ]
what the hell is everyone talking about?
in the second hand one of the middle pair's outs is in the flush draw's hand.

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Wouldn't that increase the equity of the K2s guy though, not 32s?

flawless_victory 09-14-2005 06:58 PM

Re: I don\'t get it
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
what the hell is everyone talking about?
in the second hand one of the middle pair's outs is in the flush draw's hand.

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Wouldn't that increase the equity of the K2s guy though, not 32s?

[/ QUOTE ]read it again... that exactly what it dd.


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