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montechristo 09-14-2005 01:27 PM

Pair and Flush Draw hand
 
5/10 No Limit
MP2 ($1100) raises $40 (loose, called an all-in w/ A10 a few hands ago)
Hero ($550) calls in cutoff w/ 6h7h

Flop: 10h 4h 7c

Villain bets $100. What is my line (if I think he has overcards)?

HoldEmKillah 09-14-2005 01:35 PM

Re: Pair and Flush Draw hand
 
If you think he has 2 overs then raise to $325.

HoldEmKillah 09-14-2005 01:43 PM

Re: Pair and Flush Draw hand
 
Meh...i just changed my mind and didn't read the hand carefully enough (sounds like the way I play [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Anyway, I think I just call here. You have a good draw but I don't think it's as good as you may think. I'd raise this against a good player but it sounds like you have no FE against this guy. I think this guy wouldn't mind getting it all in here with A10.

Call, peel one off and play from there.

montechristo 09-14-2005 02:05 PM

Re: Pair and Flush Draw hand
 
say I call and the turn is a blank, he fires a second barrel I have to fold. If I call turn is a heart, I probably don't extract much and am crushed by big flush.

I think that if I gun it out on the flop I have a small chance of him folding A-10 or JJ w/ no heart, and a good chance of him folding AQclubs or something similar.

AZK 09-14-2005 02:08 PM

Re: Pair and Flush Draw hand
 
fold preflop, with your stack, just get it in.

captZEEbo1 09-14-2005 02:42 PM

Re: Pair and Flush Draw hand
 
alllllllllllllllllllllin...you have no fold equity over most hands that beat you (except 88 or 99 or A7), but who cares.

HoldEmKillah 09-14-2005 02:57 PM

Re: Pair and Flush Draw hand
 
Which is why I hate raising/pushing. A raise will make his donkey opponent push any hands he's behind and fold anything he's ahead of. It makes much more sense to become a calling station here. Sometimes the situation calls for playing this way.

Call and push any check to you and push any bet to you when you hit an out. The line is weak but against this opponent passive is the way to go.

HoldEmKillah 09-14-2005 02:59 PM

Re: Pair and Flush Draw hand
 
Hands like these are the reason that a short stack is at a disadvantage over a full stack. You have no room to move. Reload next time.

n1bd 09-14-2005 03:18 PM

Re: Pair and Flush Draw hand
 
Why let your opponent see a free turn card when he will fold now? Because you make a lot from when he keeps firing on the turn? I think that is a decent reason to flat call on the flop. Lack of fold equity is not very important, as you're only really behind sets and your hand is vulnerable to unknown outs.

I push the flop every day, but I can see how against a very aggro opponent calling is more profitable.

Edit: Plus your fold equity, tiny though it is, is actually more important than it seems. The better 7s he folds have you in comparatively bad shape.

montechristo 09-14-2005 03:20 PM

Re: Pair and Flush Draw hand
 
is there any way I can just fold the flop? I frequently get involved in these types of hands where I hit a decent but by no means great flop, think this is a big leak in my game. I agree w/ AZK that w/ my stack I should have just folded preflop.


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