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teajay 09-12-2005 05:35 PM

Flop two pair and everyone else goes nuts
 
I didn't have any PT stats on anyone here at this table yet. All I can say is that already in this session I'd raised from the button after four limpers w/ KQs as well and it came back to me capped (two LRRs). The players didn't seem like complete donks on all streets but they were capable of playing aggressively and ridiculous as just mentioned.

Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Hero ????

cfjr2 09-12-2005 05:37 PM

Re: Flop two pair and everyone else goes nuts
 
what did they have when it came back capped previously ?

09-12-2005 05:38 PM

Re: Flop two pair and everyone else goes nuts
 
If the guys that LRR with junk are the ones doing the raising here, I think I cap it and reevaluate on the turn.

teajay 09-12-2005 05:40 PM

Re: Flop two pair and everyone else goes nuts
 
I only saw one of their hands, but it was A7s, he flopped a 7, and rivered another. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

gharp 09-12-2005 05:41 PM

Re: Flop two pair and everyone else goes nuts
 
Crazy. I don't think I can fold here. It's just too likely that you're up against overplayed top pairs, flush draws, lesser 2 pairs and slow-played AA's.

I recommend calling here and drawing the Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the turn. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Capping would be OK too, but I don't think you'll make anyone fold, and I'm more curious to see which of the players behind me is going to cap.

Edge34 09-12-2005 05:41 PM

Re: Flop two pair and everyone else goes nuts
 
There's a VERY good chance someone hit this with something like TJ. Account for the fact that your other face cards to fill up are likely gone, and even if they aren't you've got 4 outs if someone flopped the straight.

That said, I don't think I'm good enough to lay this hand down without seeing the turn. Maybe I'm a chip-spewer sometimes. If you're going to play, go ahead and cap it, since its probably coming around there anyways. Maybe (BIG maybe) you'll even get SB out when he's facing 3 cold...but I doubt it.

CourtJester 09-12-2005 05:41 PM

Re: Flop two pair and everyone else goes nuts
 
Cap, reevaluate on turn, then make many notes at SD

cfjr2 09-12-2005 05:47 PM

Re: Flop two pair and everyone else goes nuts
 
in that case they probably have
A- flush draw (likely Axs)
B- flopped str8 or OESD (or gutshot if he's that bad here)
C- lower flush draw or 1/2 pair (maybe set of 9's?)

You most likely have the best hand - may as well cap it and see the turn and hope the scare cards don't come. You have 4 draws to a boat and you may not see the flush or str8 (if it's a draw) get completed.

teajay 09-12-2005 05:50 PM

Turn play
 
OK, now for the turn... I capped PF, and the turn brought some more reasonably strange action....

Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero ???

cfjr2 09-12-2005 05:53 PM

Re: Turn play
 
hero bets - they all missed the draws

If they CR they call 1 back to you. 2 or more back to you I think I fold.


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