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MrMoo 09-11-2005 03:42 AM

Brilliance or idiocy. What\'s your pick?
 
UTG was a good player. No other reads

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t8000 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB (t75712)
BB (t147090)
UTG (t126540)
UTG+1 (t129302)
Hero (t172510)
MP2 (t97625)
MP3 (t76160)
CO (t19350)
Button (t133409)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t24000</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t24000, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>.

Flop: (t51200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t24000</font>, Hero calls t24000.

Turn: (t99200) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t24000</font>, Hero calls t24000.

River: (t147200) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t54000</font>

09-11-2005 03:46 AM

Re: Brilliance or idiocy. What\'s your pick?
 
I don't like it, you're getting absolutely no information out of the better that you've labelled a solid player. Why not raise the flop and see where you stand?

Exitonly 09-11-2005 03:56 AM

Re: Brilliance or idiocy. What\'s your pick?
 
Or....

push preflop... AKs and taking the pot there will increase your stack by nearly 40k... and you'll get called by AQs and by mid PP's for a coinflip that you should be alright with.

MrMoo 09-11-2005 03:58 AM

Re: Brilliance or idiocy. What\'s your pick?
 
Fair enough.

What would you raise to on the flop? If he called, whats his hand range? If he pushes whats his hand range? What would be your response to either the call or the push?

Exitonly 09-11-2005 04:03 AM

Re: Brilliance or idiocy. What\'s your pick?
 
i can't see any raise on the flop that wouldn't commit you for the rest of his stack...

i'd probably just fold the flop, if i played it this way PF.

MrMoo 09-11-2005 04:03 AM

Re: Brilliance or idiocy. What\'s your pick?
 
Preflop I think I'm ahead. I'd think a QQ-22 would likely raise it up 4-5x BB. Not that I'm discounting those hands, I just think it's more likely he's got two high cards. Probably 65% he's unpaired. So given that I think I'm ahead, do you think a push gets the most chips? I think a push would get AJ, A10, A9s, KQ to fold. All likely possabilities and all hands I'd love to play with.

09-11-2005 04:05 AM

Re: Brilliance or idiocy. What\'s your pick?
 
Good points, if I decide I'm staying with this hand, which I wouldn't do but I'm no tournament player, I'd put in a raise 1.5x the size of his bet. If he calls or pushes I'm gone with enough chips left to maybe do something. Perhaps your river bet is more intimidating than the flop raise, but I just don't like to keep calling down with ace high against an unknown hand.

Exitonly 09-11-2005 04:06 AM

Re: Brilliance or idiocy. What\'s your pick?
 
yea you chase away hands that you have beat.but you're going to play the rest of the hand w/o the lead, and most flops arent going to help you, and you wont know where you are... like on this flop.. and then you're in a situation where you're commited for the rest oncec you raise the flop.

MrMoo 09-11-2005 04:17 AM

Re: Brilliance or idiocy. What\'s your pick?
 
I don't have the lead, but I DO have position.

I think the key to this hand, and why I personally like it is, given my action what does he put ME on?

Exitonly 09-11-2005 04:29 AM

Re: Brilliance or idiocy. What\'s your pick?
 
i dont think position matters as much at this point in the tournament.. being that he's invested half his stack already, and if you make any kind of raise you have to call a push from him.. this line could draw some more out of some mediocre hands, but you're in the dark about where you are unless you catch a K or A.

at this point villain is probably putting you on a middle pair, maybe a Q/J.


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