Collusion?
 

I was playing in a step 5 sng today when this hand came up. There is no reason at al that waynecoal should fold here unless him and ccarcharias are colluding.
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>*** Hand History for Game 2677316551 *****
>NL Texas Hold'em $1000 Buy-in + $65 Entry Fee Trny:15560998 Level:8
>Blinds(200/400) - Thursday, September 08, 17:28:42 EDT 2005
>Table Step 5 #983423 (Real Money)
>Seat 9 is the button
>Total number of players : 4
>Seat 3: Jcardshark ( $4170 )
>Seat 4: waynecoal ( $3005 )
>Seat 6: worldsgrtest ( $2395 )
>Seat 9: CCarcharias ( $430 )
>Trny:15560998 Level:8
>Blinds(200/400)
>** Dealing down cards **
>Dealt to Jcardshark [ 2c 9s ]
>worldsgrtest folds.
>CCarcharias is all-In [430]
>Jcardshark folds.
>waynecoal folds.
>CCarcharias does not show cards.
>CCarcharias wins 1030 chips
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>A little later in the tourney, this hand came up where ccarcharias should obviously call with JJ...the only problem is his partner pushed in before him...
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>***** Hand History for Game 2677366742 *****
>NL Texas Hold'em $1000 Buy-in + $65 Entry Fee Trny:15560998 Level:10
>Blinds(300/600) - Thursday, September 08, 17:38:28 EDT 2005
>Table Step 5 #983423 (Real Money)
>Seat 4 is the button
>Total number of players : 3
>Seat 4: waynecoal ( $2355 )
>Seat 6: worldsgrtest ( $4005 )
>Seat 9: CCarcharias ( $3640 )
>Trny:15560998 Level:10
>Blinds(300/600)
>** Dealing down cards **
>waynecoal is all-In [2355]
>worldsgrtest is all-In [3705]
>BoRnToOlOsE: i want my money back too
>CCarcharias: dude i git jj
>CCarcharias: ok your call wrlds you want me in or out
>CCarcharias will be using his time bank for this hand.
>CCarcharias: ?
>worldsgrtest: hmm well its a race
>worldsgrtest: sooooooooo
>bradyaustin: do it ull beat em both wit ak or aq
>CCarcharias: i got jj
>worldsgrtest: call so i can win it
>CCarcharias: call or fold
>worldsgrtest: just fold
>worldsgrtest: save urself
>CCarcharias folds.
>** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 4d, 7d ]
>** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
>** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
>waynecoal shows [ 7h, Ad ] a full house, Sevens full of fours.
>worldsgrtest shows [ 8s, 8c ] two pairs, eights and sevens.
>worldsgrtest wins 1650 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, eights and
>sevens.
>waynecoal wins 5310 chips from the main pot with a full house, Sevens full
>of fours.

I emailed party about this and they said they arent going to do anything about it...

Re: Collusion?
 

Could be...

could also be a misclick, or he may have thought that he could push everyone around enough to make that fold a good idea (this would be a bad fold still but he may not think that)

Re: Collusion?
 

Party will NEVER do anything about any collusion in Step 5's, no matter how rampant, even when as obvious as this.

Re: Collusion?
 

So you are saying all three are colluding? The first two and the second two you mentioned are not the same pair.

Re: Collusion?
 

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So you are saying all three are colluding? The first two and the second two you mentioned are not the same pair.

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Actaully you should look closer and think about the second hand from a different angle, it really is the same pair colluding.

Re: Collusion?
 

Yeah clearly they know each other which explains the first fold. That is obviously passing chips.

Re: Collusion?
 

just another reason party sucks.

Re: Collusion?
 

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I was playing in a step 5 sng today

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so u had a bad run at the 215's...and this is how to solve it?

Re: Collusion?
 

Degen, the more I read of your posts the more I like you. However, Fiery appears to have asked for advice, listened to the advice, and shrugged it off I guess.

No one knows I guess what he's actually doing, he could very well be just single tabling the step 5s and doing very well instead of 8 tabling the 200s. Good luck to him, and I feel bad that so much of your attempted advice clearly goes unheard.

citanul

Re: Collusion?
 

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so much of your attempted advice clearly goes unheard

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thanks for the kind words (i think), however this is definately not the case...it is just not such public 'hearing' as others receive...my blog gets over 1,000 hits a week, even as i no longer advertise it on the forums...time heals all wounds they say, some take longer than others...anyway

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-o and fiery, care to give us an update on the situation?