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hemstock 09-06-2005 01:31 PM

Mercy call with sedond pair?
 
PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls, Hero?

I'm getting 11.5 on a call.
Should I call or fold? Or shouldn't I bet the flop and the turn in the first place?

Aaron W. 09-06-2005 01:35 PM

Re: Mercy call with sedond pair?
 
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PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls, Hero?

I'm getting 11.5 on a call.
Should I call or fold? Or shouldn't I bet the flop and the turn in the first place?

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With half the field left behind you, don't bet the flop. When you get called by 5 players, don't bet the turn.

I think you need to turn down the postflop aggression level a notch.

Hojglad 09-06-2005 01:35 PM

Re: Mercy call with sedond pair?
 
Call. So many people bet when checked to with total air that it's ridiculous. I agree with Aaron's sentiments here - you need to be checkraising this flop, not betting into a field of 8.4 billion.

adsman 09-06-2005 01:36 PM

Re: Mercy call with sedond pair?
 
Raise preflop. Seriously. Then the hand might play a little different.

Pylos 09-06-2005 01:36 PM

Re: Mercy call with sedond pair?
 
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Or shouldn't I bet the flop and the turn in the first place?

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Reads are important on hands like this. Personally, I like to c/r in this position as to eliminate some loose callers, but in your position I'm not sure anyone would fall off the horse anyway.

What's the story with CO? Does he play junk?

Raise this preflop.

hemstock 09-06-2005 01:41 PM

Re: Mercy call with sedond pair?
 
Unfortunately no reads yet.
Who am I gonna check-raise on the flop?
And I don't feel comfortable raising KJs EP. Leak?

Bodhi 09-06-2005 01:50 PM

Re: Mercy call with sedond pair?
 
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Raise preflop. Seriously.

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hemstock 09-06-2005 01:51 PM

Re: Mercy call with sedond pair?
 
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Raise preflop. Seriously.

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I love 2 word quotes

Bodhi 09-06-2005 01:52 PM

Re: Mercy call with sedond pair?
 
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And I don't feel comfortable raising KJs EP. Leak?

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Yes. At party .5/1, absofuckinglutely, yes. Not raising KJs utg in these games is worse than limping utg w J4s.

hemstock 09-06-2005 01:54 PM

Re: Mercy call with sedond pair?
 
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And I don't feel comfortable raising KJs EP. Leak?

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Yes. At party .5/1, absofuckinglutely, yes. Not raising KJs utg in these games is worse than limping utg w J4s.

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Aren't you exaggerating juuuust a little bit?


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