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Scuba Chuck 08-28-2005 07:26 PM

QQ - bubble hand, shorty allin and a call....
 
Blinds 150/300

UTG 740
Button 5590
SB 2190
BB (hero) 1330

Preflop: HERO dealth Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG is allin, Button calls, Hero....

What line do you take here?

1C5 08-28-2005 07:31 PM

Re: QQ - bubble hand, shorty allin and a call....
 
You can't fold QQ here. That much I know.

Scuba Chuck 08-28-2005 07:37 PM

Re: QQ - bubble hand, shorty allin and a call....
 
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You can't fold QQ here. That much I know.

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Well, I had to put it on the poll as an option, because, technically it is.

jayb0ne 08-28-2005 07:42 PM

Re: QQ - bubble hand, shorty allin and a call....
 
Might want to consider just calling, because if the big stack had a hand like, Ace piece or pocket 7's, he'd probably overpush to ensure he gets heads up with the short stack. His call is suspicious because it sort of makes it seem like he wants to see if he can maybe get another person in the hand. I'd call and play it cautious.

Scuba Chuck 08-28-2005 07:47 PM

Re: QQ - bubble hand, shorty allin and a call....
 
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Might want to consider just calling, because if the big stack had a hand like, Ace piece or pocket 7's, he'd probably overpush to ensure he gets heads up with the short stack. His call is suspicious because it sort of makes it seem like he wants to see if he can maybe get another person in the hand. I'd call and play it cautious.

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Guess I should qualify this buyin. It's a $33. And I think you're giving villain too much credit with a wanted call.

psyduck 08-28-2005 07:59 PM

Re: QQ - bubble hand, shorty allin and a call....
 
you have to push here. If the big stack is a donk, then he could be calling with a wide variety of hands, meaning that the shortie has a good chance to double up. In that case, you'll become the short stack next hand.

You're getting great odds (you're the BB here), your hand is great, and you'd like another possibility to eliminate UTG besides the big stack.

Even if big stack eliminates both of you, you get 3rd

utmt40 08-28-2005 08:04 PM

Re: QQ - bubble hand, shorty allin and a call....
 
push

Scuba Chuck 08-28-2005 08:19 PM

Re: QQ - bubble hand, shorty allin and a call....
 
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you have to push here. If the big stack is a donk, then he could be calling with a wide variety of hands, meaning that the shortie has a good chance to double up. In that case, you'll become the short stack next hand.

You're getting great odds (you're the BB here), your hand is great, and you'd like another possibility to eliminate UTG besides the big stack.

Even if big stack eliminates both of you, you get 3rd

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What benefit do I gain by pushing here, against the potential benefit of a stop n go?

The Yugoslavian 08-28-2005 08:40 PM

Re: QQ - bubble hand, shorty allin and a call....
 
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you have to push here. If the big stack is a donk, then he could be calling with a wide variety of hands, meaning that the shortie has a good chance to double up. In that case, you'll become the short stack next hand.

You're getting great odds (you're the BB here), your hand is great, and you'd like another possibility to eliminate UTG besides the big stack.

Even if big stack eliminates both of you, you get 3rd

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What benefit do I gain by pushing here, against the potential benefit of a stop n go?

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You don't need a stop n go here...your hand is plenty good. Just get it allin 3 way with your monster....

Or you can putz around post flop with a huge pot that can't be played very well unless you have a strong read on villian.

Yugoslav

08-28-2005 08:54 PM

Re: QQ - bubble hand, shorty allin and a call....
 
Noob question...

What if you call and then: 1) push if flop comes unders 2) check/fold to big stack if there are overcards.

By doing this wont you better ensure yourself of a money finish? I doubt the big stack will bluff with someone already all in.

Im sure this is an idiot play cuz none of the smart ppl have sugessted it, plz tell me y.Thanks in advance,Brian.


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