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iluzion 08-24-2005 12:35 AM

I\'ve got aces, scary turn card and a push.
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

Button ($24.76)
SB ($19.65)
BB ($57.60)
UTG ($23.20)
Hero ($25)
UTG+2 ($24.46)
MP1 ($42.34)
MP2 ($22.60)
MP3 ($25)
CO ($20.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.35) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, CO folds, UTG calls $6.

Turn: ($23.35) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Villain pushes for $12. Hero?

(Edit: I forgot to fix that this way)

jkkkk 08-24-2005 12:38 AM

Re: I\'ve got aces, scary turn card and a push.
 
I assume the other guy went all in on the turn and you called?

I'm probably folding the turn without a read.

iluzion 08-24-2005 12:46 AM

Re: I\'ve got aces, scary turn card and a push.
 
I don't think hes jamming with a flush, why would he do that when he can expect I lead into him, and with that strong of a hand I would expect him to check/raise or check/call and push the river. If he has this, I've still got some outs to improve. Also these are the only outs I have (except two more) to beat a set.

Another possibility would be a big overpair, or even (highly unlikely) something like A8s. Both of which I'm ahead of by a landslide.

Then theres two pair, which I have eight outs against.

does all of this lay me enough odds to make a 2-1 call?

stu-unger 08-24-2005 12:54 AM

Re: I\'ve got aces, scary turn card and a push.
 
without a read i think i find a fold. with that said his line does look a little suspect here. he leads for an overbet(which leads me to not think a drawing hand)calls our re-raise and pushes the turn. i dont think he has a flush but i do think he has us beat.

jkkkk 08-24-2005 12:59 AM

Re: I\'ve got aces, scary turn card and a push.
 
He could have 88, 55, 33, JKs, KQs, etc.

I think most times you will be behind although you do have the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]...

Against a flush you are slightly worse than 4-1, against a set you are slightly better than 4-1.

You do get a lot of idiots at 25NL, but I probably still fold without a read.


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