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woodguy 08-21-2005 02:24 AM

Lots of action for my big draw
 
Party $400

No one has done anything to warrant a note, good or bad.

I have ~$550, Button has me covered

Party Poker (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>

Converter is kinda wacky.

Pot is $19 on flop

BB leads for 19, EP calls, I raise to $75

Button raises to $200.

I'm pretty sure I'm drawing to 2 outs.

I'm also pretty sure (80%), that he doesn't have the nut.

I push.

Standard?

Regards,
Woodguy

captZEEbo1 08-21-2005 02:27 AM

Re: Lots of action for my big draw
 
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I'm pretty sure I'm drawing to 2 outs.

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Then why push? Nobody folds a flush here. This whole post makes no sense.

If you think your hand is good (which is very possible), pushing here is obviously the best play. No reason villain can't have J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

woodguy 08-21-2005 02:31 AM

Re: Lots of action for my big draw
 
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Then why push? Nobody folds a flush here

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I guess that was my real question; does anybody fold a weak (obviously not as weak as mine) flush?

Regards,
Woodguy

flawless_victory 08-21-2005 02:36 AM

Re: Lots of action for my big draw
 
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Then why push? Nobody folds a flush here

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I guess that was my real question; does anybody fold a weak (obviously not as weak as mine) flush?

Regards,
Woodguy

[/ QUOTE ]HELL NO. PERIOD. NO.

captZEEbo1 08-21-2005 02:38 AM

Re: Lots of action for my big draw
 
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Then why push? Nobody folds a flush here

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I guess that was my real question; does anybody fold a weak (obviously not as weak as mine) flush?

Regards,
Woodguy

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Put yourself in button's shoes, let's say you have 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on button, you'd probably make around same raise button made, now if guy that made it 75 pushes, would you fold? I'd beat him into the pot.

woodguy 08-21-2005 02:41 AM

Re: Lots of action for my big draw
 
Thanks, just checking.

I was shown 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], the turn and river blanked.

I'm not folding it if I were him, and I guess I'm not folding my hand to his raise too.

Thanks,
Woodguy

kagame 08-21-2005 03:14 AM

Re: Lots of action for my big draw
 
this is why i dont play these hands unless forced to

so sick of these flush under flush flops

fisherman112 08-21-2005 05:13 AM

Re: Lots of action for my big draw
 
very, very few nl400 players 3-bet the flop with a set, you're going to be shown a non-nut flush virtually every time and no one is folding to your push. also, with that much money in the pot, if villain has a set, he is priced in with 2 cards to come. if you're going to play it and have over 200 left behind, i say it's better to call and push a non-paired turn.
at a full table, a fold is not unreasonable.

warlockjd 08-21-2005 09:13 PM

Re: Lots of action for my big draw
 
Have not read responses.

Comments:

1. If you put him on a higher flush, without a read, he is calling. Fold the flop.

2. That being said, I see a set, 2 pair, or TPTK w. A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] far to often to muck this flop. I think you must push.

warlockjd 08-21-2005 09:15 PM

Re: Lots of action for my big draw
 
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this is why i dont play these hands unless forced to


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This is just wrong IMO at this level. Kind of like set over set. Without uberread get your $ in there. Occasionaly you lose but, you'll be surprised how many dominated hands will call this flop.


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