$10+1 Multi Pokerstars Hand
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1005)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t3495)
CO (t2635)
Button (t1675)
SB (t1495)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, MP3 calls t90, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls t60.
Flop: (t285) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, MP3 calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t530</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t3060</font>, BB folds, Hero?

How did I play it thusfar?
What's my play here?

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This is reminding me of getting picked for sports in gym class, nobody wants to answer?

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1005)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t3495)
CO (t2635)
Button (t1675)
SB (t1495)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, MP3 calls t90, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls t60.
Flop: (t285) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, MP3 calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t530</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t3060</font>, BB folds, Hero?

How did I play it thusfar?
What's my play here?

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It's insta-call IMO, I'm guessing it was some kind of semi-bluff by the raiser where he either had a flush draw or a straight draw for the win. TPTK is a great hand and if I run into aces or kings with it, I take my beat and move on.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1005)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t3495)
CO (t2635)
Button (t1675)
SB (t1495)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, MP3 calls t90, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls t60.
Flop: (t285) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, MP3 calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t530</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t3060</font>, BB folds, Hero?

How did I play it thusfar?
What's my play here?

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You played it perfectly to that point. Or atleast the same way I would.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1005)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t3495)
CO (t2635)
Button (t1675)
SB (t1495)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, MP3 calls t90, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls t60.
Flop: (t285) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, MP3 calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t530</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t3060</font>, BB folds, Hero?

How did I play it thusfar?
What's my play here?

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It's insta-call IMO, I'm guessing it was some kind of semi-bluff by the raiser where he either had a flush draw or a straight draw for the win. TPTK is a great hand and if I run into aces or kings with it, I take my beat and move on.

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Wow, really? If he had a flush draw, why would he wait to push after missing on the turn? If he now has a straight draw (catching the 10 on the turn), would he really have called on the flop with a double gutshot? I say you're up against 44 or 77...I fold. Could be AA/KK/QQ that slowplayed and is now worried about straight draws. I think you're behind or already drawing dead.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1005)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t3495)
CO (t2635)
Button (t1675)
SB (t1495)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, MP3 calls t90, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls t60.
Flop: (t285) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, MP3 calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t530</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t3060</font>, BB folds, Hero?

How did I play it thusfar?
What's my play here?

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It's insta-call IMO, I'm guessing it was some kind of semi-bluff by the raiser where he either had a flush draw or a straight draw for the win. TPTK is a great hand and if I run into aces or kings with it, I take my beat and move on.

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Wow, really? If he had a flush draw, why would he wait to push after missing on the turn? If he now has a straight draw (catching the 10 on the turn), would he really have called on the flop with a double gutshot? I say you're up against 44 or 77...I fold. Could be AA/KK/QQ that slowplayed and is now worried about straight draws. I think you're behind or already drawing dead.

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You may have ran into a set that's true but you also win this situation a ton more times than you lose it. The all-in move is not a value bet, it shows fear. Of course he's drawing dead that's why he posted it. We make a good play get bad results and question the validity of the play.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1005)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t3495)
CO (t2635)
Button (t1675)
SB (t1495)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, MP3 calls t90, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls t60.
Flop: (t285) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, MP3 calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t530</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t3060</font>, BB folds, Hero?

How did I play it thusfar?
What's my play here?

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It's insta-call IMO, I'm guessing it was some kind of semi-bluff by the raiser where he either had a flush draw or a straight draw for the win. TPTK is a great hand and if I run into aces or kings with it, I take my beat and move on.

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Wow, really? If he had a flush draw, why would he wait to push after missing on the turn? If he now has a straight draw (catching the 10 on the turn), would he really have called on the flop with a double gutshot? I say you're up against 44 or 77...I fold. Could be AA/KK/QQ that slowplayed and is now worried about straight draws. I think you're behind or already drawing dead.

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You may have ran into a set that's true but you also win this situation a ton more times than you lose it. The all-in move is not a value bet, it shows fear. Of course he's drawing dead that's why he posted it. We make a good play get bad results and question the validity of the play.

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I agree with your previous assessment that he played this well up to that point. I'm assuming you would call here. Could hero be ahead here? Sure. But this early with a deep stack, why take the chance? My read is that villian has an overpair or a set. IMO, his betting doesn't make sense for a flopped flush draw or a turned straight draw.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1005)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t3495)
CO (t2635)
Button (t1675)
SB (t1495)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, MP3 calls t90, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls t60.
Flop: (t285) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, MP3 calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t530</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t3060</font>, BB folds, Hero?

How did I play it thusfar?
What's my play here?

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It's insta-call IMO, I'm guessing it was some kind of semi-bluff by the raiser where he either had a flush draw or a straight draw for the win. TPTK is a great hand and if I run into aces or kings with it, I take my beat and move on.

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Wow, really? If he had a flush draw, why would he wait to push after missing on the turn? If he now has a straight draw (catching the 10 on the turn), would he really have called on the flop with a double gutshot? I say you're up against 44 or 77...I fold. Could be AA/KK/QQ that slowplayed and is now worried about straight draws. I think you're behind or already drawing dead.

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You may have ran into a set that's true but you also win this situation a ton more times than you lose it. The all-in move is not a value bet, it shows fear. Of course he's drawing dead that's why he posted it. We make a good play get bad results and question the validity of the play.

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I agree with your previous assessment that he played this well up to that point. I'm assuming you would call here. Could hero be ahead here? Sure. But this early with a deep stack, why take the chance? My read is that villian has an overpair or a set. IMO, his betting doesn't make sense for a flopped flush draw or a turned straight draw.

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Rational players don't use the all-in move much early in a tournament. But, you can't apply rational to the early stages of a 10+1 on stars. Villain could have anything there are too many weak players not to cash in on this situation. You will take it down more times than you will lose it.

Results
 

Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t530</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t3060</font>, BB folds, Hero calls t2200 (All-In).

River: (t6525) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

MP3 has 10[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Final Pot: t6525

I didn't just post this because to rationalize a bad play. I was really on the fence and used my full time bank for this, I was very close to folding and couldn't pull the trigger. (Or let go of the trigger) I'm suprised that more people aren't saying fold. I didn't expect the TT (although it crossed my mind), but I figured he may have flopped a set and waited till the turn to raise me.

I do believe I shoulda have bet 3/4 pot on the flop rather than 1/2 to give flush draws worse odds.

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Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t530</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t3060</font>, BB folds, Hero calls t2200 (All-In).

River: (t6525) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

MP3 has 10[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Final Pot: t6525

I didn't just post this because to rationalize a bad play. I was really on the fence and used my full time bank for this, I was very close to folding and couldn't pull the trigger. (Or let go of the trigger) I'm suprised that more people aren't saying fold. I didn't expect the TT (although it crossed my mind), but I figured he may have flopped a set and waited till the turn to raise me.

I do believe I shoulda have bet 3/4 pot on the flop rather than 1/2 to give flush draws worse odds.

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Yeah I like a pot size bet in this spot. Really make them pay to draw out on you. Here's the Pokenum analysis, so it's a pretty bad beat

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1160986
pokenum -h as qs - th ts -- qd 7h 4d
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Qd 4d 7h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Qs 903 91.21 87 8.79 0 0.00 0.912
Ts Th 87 8.79 903 91.21 0 0.00 0.088