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08-17-2005 09:43 PM

Fold the flop here?
 
What would you have done here and why?

MP1 is a TAG (18/10/2.2). MP3 is a loose, semi-aggressive player (29/7/1.8). MP2 is a calling station (30/4/1.2).

(I happen to think this hand is very instructive, and will explain why later)

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.66 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (7.33 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

River: (9.33 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 9.33 BB

chief444 08-17-2005 09:48 PM

Re: Fold the flop here?
 
Yeah. Pretty easy fold.

08-17-2005 09:48 PM

Re: Fold the flop here?
 
Why?

08-17-2005 09:49 PM

Re: Fold the flop here?
 
Anyone fold this preflop?

baronzeus 08-17-2005 09:51 PM

Re: Fold the flop here?
 
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Anyone fold this preflop?

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Me.

And you fold the flop because it's unlikely you have the best hand and you don't have the odds to draw.

chief444 08-17-2005 09:52 PM

Re: Fold the flop here?
 
Because you're probably beat. And if you by chance are good you're going to get drawn out on quite a bit.

I don't like calling this preflop either.

08-17-2005 09:55 PM

Re: Fold the flop here?
 
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Because you're probably beat. And if you by chance are good you're going to get drawn out on quite a bit.

I don't like calling this preflop either.

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It is an error to fold this preflop.

chief444 08-17-2005 09:56 PM

Re: Fold the flop here?
 
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It is an error to fold this preflop.

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OK. If you say so.

08-17-2005 09:58 PM

Re: Fold the flop here?
 
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Because you're probably beat. And if you by chance are good you're going to get drawn out on quite a bit.

I don't like calling this preflop either.

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It is an error to fold this preflop.

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I guess this will be the instructive part of the hand. Why?

08-17-2005 10:00 PM

Re: Fold the flop here?
 
[ QUOTE ]
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It is an error to fold this preflop.

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OK. If you say so.

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You are getting 7.5-1 on your call preflop here. Folding Q9 would be an error. A clear error.

Remember, there is not the risk of domination with Q9 as with hands like KJ, A-10, etc. in this spot.


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