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08-15-2005 10:03 PM

So, was this push as bad as I am beginning to believe?
 
This is the first hand I've posted, so bear with me.

PP 2-table SNG, so the top 4 are ITM. Villian was super loose -- flip-flopped from small stack to chip leader at least three times throughout the final table.

#Game No : 2541495986
***** Hand History for Game 2541495986 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:14869844 Level:9 Blinds (200/400) - Monday, August 15, 21:33:22 EDT 2005
Table 2 - Table(428502) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 9: UTG ( $3750 )
Seat 10: UTG+1 ( $4300 )
Seat 1: CO ( $3834 )
Seat 4: Button ( $292 )
Seat 6: Villian -- SB ( $4874 )
Seat 7: Hero -- BB ( $2950 )

Trny:14869844 Level:9
Blinds (200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bailey_C [ 5d 5s ]
disguyzed folds.
daBrock111 folds.
shotlong folds.
flusie folds.
ottomatic333 calls [200].
Bailey_C checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 7h, 6s ]
ottomatic333 bets [400].
Bailey_C is all-In [2550]
ottomatic333 calls [2150].

I'll give results if interested.

B.

jeffraider 08-15-2005 10:16 PM

Re: So, was this push as bad as I am beginning to believe?
 
I'd rather see you push this preflop than on the flop.

mosdef 08-15-2005 10:20 PM

Re: So, was this push as bad as I am beginning to believe?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'd rather see you push this preflop than on the flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

i was thinking that too, but it would depend on how likely that massive stack is to call.

in principle, i agree that shoving back at a small blind completion is usually right, but i wonder how that big stack got so big? was it because he made loose calls and got lucky?

08-15-2005 10:25 PM

Re: So, was this push as bad as I am beginning to believe?
 
The stack sizes are a bit deceiving, this is a 2-table SNG, and every starts with 1000 chips, so nobody really has a "huge" stack.


B.

mosdef 08-15-2005 10:28 PM

Re: So, was this push as bad as I am beginning to believe?
 
oh, my bad.

are you saying that there's another table out there? so you're half way through the tourney?

08-15-2005 10:32 PM

Re: So, was this push as bad as I am beginning to believe?
 
Started with two tables -- we are down to the Finals table and the final 6 players. Sorry for the confusion.


B.

AliasMrJones 08-15-2005 10:38 PM

Re: So, was this push as bad as I am beginning to believe?
 
You said he's super loose, but how did he play postflop? Was he aggressive postflop or passive?

He completed in the SB which means he either has some kind of mediocre hand like suited connectors or a monster. In either case, after the flop he likely has you beat. Given your stack size, I'd like a push preflop rather than the push here.

Also, you'll get better answers if you don't post that he called the push. The fact that he called will color peoples' responses.

mosdef 08-15-2005 10:39 PM

Re: So, was this push as bad as I am beginning to believe?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Started with two tables -- we are down to the Finals table and the final 6 players. Sorry for the confusion.


B.

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ah. in that case i stand by my original answer. i wouldn't bluff into the big stack on the flop. i would shove back at him preflop if my read is that he's tight.

kyro 08-15-2005 10:40 PM

Re: So, was this push as bad as I am beginning to believe?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'd rather see you push this preflop than on the flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

mosdef 08-15-2005 10:45 PM

Re: So, was this push as bad as I am beginning to believe?
 
even though the big stack is super loose? seems like you're asking for a coin toss that'll take you out of the money 1/2 the time.


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