Even I need to post a hand once in a while
 

The guy who capped preflop is about 25 pfr, like most of the usual suspects at the table. The guy who leads into everyone just sat, but the hand prior to this one he went multiple bets w/88 on a 9xxx board, against another uber aggro character.



Here is the scoop folks...its pretty simple, I need to know who raises the turn. Mentally I felt I had to, but couldnt pull the trigger. My thoughts at the moment were; must clear out overcards if I want to win this pot and then the little devil on my shoulder said, NO, you are spewing chips dumb ass. Sigh. The river was a blur.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: MysticRiver8 is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">MysticRiver8 raises</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB caps</font>, BB calls, MysticRiver8 calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Flop: (20 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MysticRiver8 calls, MP folds, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (12 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MysticRiver8 calls, Button folds, SB calls.

River: (15 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MysticRiver8 checks.

Whatever.

Final Pot: 15 BB

Re: Even I need to post a hand once in a while
 

Raise the blank turn.

Gotta love it when the whole table sees the flop for 4 bets.

Re: Even I need to post a hand once in a while
 

I like it.

Re: Even I need to post a hand once in a while
 

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Eek, thats a big problem. I assure you there is very little to like here. Whether won or not this was dismal.

Re: Even I need to post a hand once in a while
 

You really need to raise somewhere here as you obviously know.

The turn would be good since it was a relative blank and you could get everyone with 7:1 at odds, making their call a mistake.

Re: Even I need to post a hand once in a while
 

I like a turn raise.

Re: Even I need to post a hand once in a while
 

Yeah, of course I know. Seen it all, done it all. My question is who actually raises. Put yourself in my spot, think about the preflop action...do you raise (knowing that it is very likely they will incorrectly fold).

I aint talking about Sklansky bucks, I am talking about practical application.

Re: Even I need to post a hand once in a while
 

This seems textbook SSH "wait until the turn to raise," right? Am I missing something? It's just that we see that concept misapplied so often in hands here, so I'm almost not sure anymore.

Re: Even I need to post a hand once in a while
 

Im a pussy and I cant raise here. Looks almost like SB is holding a monster and Im about to get 3 bet.

Re: Even I need to post a hand once in a while
 

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This seems textbook SSH "wait until the turn to raise," right? Am I missing something? It's just that we see that concept misapplied so often in hands here, so I'm almost not sure anymore.

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Well, the callers would be getting 7.5:1 to call here so with AK (which we assume SB has) he is getting the correct odds to call. However, having it 2bets to you means you fold in almost all cases, unless you are sure you can still win the hand. In many cases AK is drawing dead on the turn here.