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baronzeus 08-11-2005 05:23 PM

Blind defense?
 
Just sat down a few orbits. This guy is loose preflop.

Can I get a raise in here? Or fold?


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Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.16 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.16 BB

MrTeddyKGB 08-11-2005 05:30 PM

Re: Blind defense?
 
without a read I would call down. I would not raise, way ahead/behind.

JrJordan 08-11-2005 05:35 PM

Re: Blind defense?
 
There's been a bit of discussion here lately about 3-betting some more marginal defending hands, such as a low Ax. My standard has usually been A7/A8+ before I start 3-betting, but I can't say its a bad play. I may be implementing this a bit more in the future.

I don't like just calling the flop and turn bets. I think you're ahead the far majority of the time and can raise for value. I'd smooth call the flop intending to c/r any non-diamond turn. This lets you charge an extra BB for a diamond draw, and you have the added benefit that a lot of hands beating you can't 3-bet because of the scare board (and if they do it's a pretty easy fold if he's not overly tricky).

JrJordan 08-11-2005 05:37 PM

Re: Blind defense?
 
[ QUOTE ]
without a read I would call down. I would not raise, way ahead/behind.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is a little different than your standard WA/WB situation. There's a very good chance button could be raising this flop with a diamond, PP&lt;AA, etc. On this board, they're going to be hard pressed to fold to a turn c/r since they'll either have odds to draw, or they won't believe it on a scary board like this. Since they won't necessarily fold to our increased aggression when behind, we can throw in a raise for value when we're ahead, which is the majority of the time IMO.

MrTeddyKGB 08-11-2005 05:41 PM

Re: Blind defense?
 
I would raise the turn if I did not 3 bet pre-flop, (I would not usually with A3)

baronzeus 08-11-2005 05:49 PM

Re: Blind defense?
 
I don't understand why I wouldn't 3bet here. Against most of this guys stealing range I am golden. What is the theory behind not raising?

sublime 08-11-2005 05:54 PM

Re: Blind defense?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I don't understand why I wouldn't 3bet here. Against most of this guys stealing range I am golden. What is the theory behind not raising?

[/ QUOTE ]

your out of position

Lmn55d 08-11-2005 05:57 PM

Re: Blind defense?
 
define golden

666 08-11-2005 06:02 PM

Re: Blind defense?
 
And you dont have a very +EV hand, if it is even +EV at all. I think you also have a very small equity advantage as well. When you win, (ace flops or neither one of you hit the board) you are not going to win much, as the original blind stealer will fold quickly, but when you lose, you will lose a lot (usually to a better ace). I like the fact that 3-betting gives you the initiative in the hand, but against anyone with decent blind stealing standards, you are probably behind. This is why I dont like 3 betting this PF although if the villian is a total donk then its a great move.

baronzeus 08-11-2005 06:02 PM

Re: Blind defense?
 
[ QUOTE ]
define golden

[/ QUOTE ]

What is the thinking behind 3betting A6-A7 but not A3?

I feel like this loose guy would raise 50% of his hands. Isn't A3 better than those?


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