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JihadOnTheRiver 08-11-2005 02:57 PM

Common scenario for me
 
PP NL100. Exactly my second hand at the table. I have $100, he has $78. Zero reads.

I'm in CO+1 with KQo. Its folded to me, I raise to $4, SB reraises to $8, I call.

($17) FLOP: KQ6.

He leads for $9, I raise to $25, he reraises to $50...

bingledork 08-11-2005 03:23 PM

Re: Common scenario for me
 
The SB reraise always means big-pair when I'm playing.
Maybe it could be AK.
I think you're about 50/50 here.

I can't lay it down.

kevkev60614 08-11-2005 03:36 PM

Re: Common scenario for me
 
I couldn't lay it down, either. With KQo you're hoping KQ6 flops. I'd push, but wet myself till it's over.

If it's a poor player with QQ, maybe your push will convince him you have KK. It could happen. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

08-11-2005 03:45 PM

Re: Common scenario for me
 
Nobody lays this down? I don't but I hope some of the better players might w/ reads. How often does this need to be a set to may a lay down correct?

Proofrock 08-11-2005 03:46 PM

Re: Common scenario for me
 
Push. Let's assume we can limit SB's hand range to AA-QQ or AK because of the preflop reraise + flop action. You say no reads, so I'd just use math -
AA: 6 ways
KK: 1 way
QQ: 1 way
AK: 8 ways

You're significantly ahead of 14 of villain's holdings while drawing practically dead to only 2. I'm happy to get my money in with no reads against that hand range. Even if you eliminate AK, you're still good to call.

-cj

davekngs 08-11-2005 04:02 PM

Re: Common scenario for me
 
Ok, maybe this is going to sound a bit unsophisticated but what was you hoping to see on the flop? Other than flopping a staight this flop is perfect. Im not too sure about you calling this raise preflop I personally lay it down preflop with no reads, but once you've called this is perfect and you have no choice but to push. If he has its unlikely he has KK or QQ because you have both of them cards in your hand and on the board (still possibly but less likely). I think this is a very straight forward push and if you feel like you should lay this down your call preflop was a huge mistake.

Salerosa 08-11-2005 05:18 PM

Re: Common scenario for me
 
He min-raises pre-flop with 66? KK or QQ are unlikely enough that I pay off a set here without a strong read. Smells like badly played AA to me, maybe AK. Plus if he is bad enough to min-raise KK or QQ preflop he is prob not good enough to lead the flop with a set.

JihadOnTheRiver 08-11-2005 07:26 PM

Results
 
I was up against QQ and pretty much knew it before I called. No help, I lose. BTW, I really HATE KQo...

-Jihad

wtfsvi 08-11-2005 08:24 PM

Re: Results
 
That's why you should fold to the reraise preflop.

ryanghall 08-11-2005 08:26 PM

Re: Common scenario for me
 
At this point, it's an easy call.

However, don't let it get to this point.

You don't have to raise KQ here. Party 100NL is a game where you can just nut peddle if you want. Raising if fine if you want to do that, but fold it to a reraise even if you're getting nice odds to call. Remember, chances are you'll be dominated.

Ryan


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