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mike4bmp 08-04-2005 05:30 AM

Pseudo Blackjack systems?
 
Does anyone know if there is a count system that would work on any of the pseudo blackjack games? Superfun 21 or Lucky Ladies? Can I just use a regular count system like HiLo or Red 7? Or should I just avoid these stupid games all together? Most of the B & M cardrooms near my house don't offer real blackjack...so I have to end up having to drive a ways to get to a reservation casino....if these pseudo games can be beat then I want to know so that I can reduce the wear and tear on my poor vehicle! LOL

PokerCat69 08-04-2005 02:20 PM

Re: Pseudo Blackjack systems?
 
Lucky Ladies is the sidebet where your paid if both cards equal 20, and payouts are higher if they are suited or both cards the same value. (ie 2 Kings).
The big payoff is with 2 queen of hearts.
This sidebet has a 24% house edge.

Truecount has to be like +9 for this to be a +EV bet and that might assume all Queen of hearts are still in the shoe.
I forget the details but I remember reading about this sidebet on several BJ counting forums and it is considered a waste of time.

Iceman 08-04-2005 09:09 PM

Re: Pseudo Blackjack systems?
 
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Does anyone know if there is a count system that would work on any of the pseudo blackjack games? Superfun 21 or Lucky Ladies? Can I just use a regular count system like HiLo or Red 7? Or should I just avoid these stupid games all together? Most of the B & M cardrooms near my house don't offer real blackjack...so I have to end up having to drive a ways to get to a reservation casino....if these pseudo games can be beat then I want to know so that I can reduce the wear and tear on my poor vehicle! LOL

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Spanish 21 has a house advantage of less than one half of one percent with basic strategy, so I assume a player could gain at least a slight advantage by counting.

Homer 08-05-2005 01:05 AM

Re: Pseudo Blackjack systems?
 
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Does anyone know if there is a count system that would work on any of the pseudo blackjack games? Superfun 21 or Lucky Ladies? Can I just use a regular count system like HiLo or Red 7? Or should I just avoid these stupid games all together? Most of the B & M cardrooms near my house don't offer real blackjack...so I have to end up having to drive a ways to get to a reservation casino....if these pseudo games can be beat then I want to know so that I can reduce the wear and tear on my poor vehicle! LOL

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SuperFun 21 was definitely countable when it first came out, as the casinos dealt very deep into the shoe. I believe it required a huge spread, though. The count used is similar to, if not exactly the same as Hi-Lo (check bj21.com for details -- might have to get Green Chip membership). I'm not sure if the game can still be played for profit. I'm pretty sure the casinos have caught on and shuffle sooner now.


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