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NYCNative 08-02-2005 09:32 PM

To LAG or not to LAG...
 
You have position and one of those hands that are perfect to hit big and knock out an overpair - a suited connector, like JT or T9. The villain who raised is the type who cannot make a big laydown with big pocket pair.

You're pretty sure you're really behind but you call a standard raise anyway because if you do flop that monster, you feel that villain can't make the laydown so you'll get paid off and if you miss on the flop you can escape with a relatively small hit (in $.50/1.00, you're out $3-5).

Positive or negative EV?

xorbie 08-02-2005 09:33 PM

Re: To LAG or not to LAG...
 
+EV if you can play well postflop. -EV if you cannot, because these are significantly trickier to play than sets.

Ghazban 08-02-2005 09:34 PM

Re: To LAG or not to LAG...
 
I agree with xorbie. I'll also say I'd rather have 65s than JTs in these instances-- it should be obvious why that is the case.

swolfe 08-02-2005 09:35 PM

Re: To LAG or not to LAG...
 
uh...dude, this is called implied odds. standard stuff...use the 5/10 rule.

Mr. Curious 08-02-2005 09:42 PM

Re: To LAG or not to LAG...
 
+EV if they have a big stack.
-EV if they have a small stack.

All about them implied odds...

the 9 08-02-2005 10:05 PM

Re: To LAG or not to LAG...
 
s/c are better if your opponent is weak/tight and will lay down overpairs to semibluff raises or if there are a couple of callers in front of you.
HU against an opponent who won't lay down overpairs you're much better off with a PP (to play for a set) not s/c.

wall_st 08-03-2005 02:59 AM

Re: To LAG or not to LAG...
 
I do this, but I like having a big stack in addition to being in position. Sometimes I think im stupid for doing this, but when it pays off I feel like a genius.

I like this line the best for post flop play:

call pre flop
call post flop continuation bet (this way if he only has AK he has a chance to hit on the turn)
raise the turn when the board does not pair (assuming you have two pair). By this point your opponent should be practically all in (or at least committed) because if your opponent cannot get off of an overpair he is probably constantly betting the pot as well.

yvesaint 08-03-2005 04:37 AM

Re: To LAG or not to LAG...
 
I play 6-max, so yes, I'm calling this if I'm confident enough that I can stack the Villain if I hit. Implied odds all the way.

fimbulwinter 08-03-2005 04:43 AM

Re: To LAG or not to LAG...
 
[ QUOTE ]
one of those hands that are perfect to hit big and knock out an overpair - a suited connector, like JT or T9.

[/ QUOTE ]

those are among some of the worst suited connectors to play against a raise.

fim

dibbs 08-03-2005 04:49 AM

STACK SIZES!
 
IMO one of the first things that need to be considered.

You can't really calculate what your expected value is unless you know how much money is involved.

So when you think about making this call, look at his stack, look at yours, guesstimate the amount it would cost for you to make it assuming you flop the draw, and compare it with how much money you really think you can make from a stubborn opponent.

FWIW, I prefer smaller SC's to T9 and 98 etc. In my experience players freeze up more on higher card flops with possible straights out than small one, cuz what idiot would call a raise with small cards.



Edit:
Personally the 5-10 rule with SC's doesn't really seem too appealing to me with 100 bb stacks, but with PP's it's a give in. Any thoughts?


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