A3s - river wussiness
 

2/4 absolute, 3 or 4 to a flop, no crazies. SB is new to the table.

Folds around to Hero with A3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in CO. Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds

Turn: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls

River: 9 non-heart

SB checks, Hero checks behind. Ace high not getting called by a worse hand.

Re: A3s - river wussiness
 

I don't think I would bluff the river either. The check behind seems fine to me.

Re: A3s - river wussiness
 

Its fine

Re: A3s - river wussiness
 

This is River Play 101 here. If you won't get called by a worse hand, don't bet.

Re: A3s - river wussiness
 

I'd probably never bet A-high here but I would bet a missed draw that is very unlikely to be best.

Re: A3s - river wussiness
 

Meh, I can see him holding a 2x here that was trying to peel 2 pair. It's a hard deicision, but I think a bet might be +EV in the long run. Obviously a worse hand isn't going to call, but you could fold a better hand. I'd either pussy out and kick myself for not betting or bet and get called and think myself an idiot. It's no win =\

Re: A3s - river wussiness
 

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I'd probably never bet A-high here but I would bet a missed draw that is very unlikely to be best.

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Interestingly, though, it would be very difficult for you to have a missed draw that is worse than ace-high, in this particular case.

Re: A3s - river wussiness
 

Lower hearts...and the typical 2/4 player isn't folding a pair here after getting this far.

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Lower hearts...and the typical 2/4 player isn't folding a pair here after getting this far.

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(I think you're responding to me here.)

My idea was that, for me anyway, there are hardly even any steal hands that would have flopped a draw for me that wouldn't at least have given me ace-high by the time the river card fell. (I mean, I could have K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or something, but most draws I would have flopped with non-ace hands would have caught something by now, on this JT962 board.)

Anyway, I think it is possible SB will have and fold a better ace. But I don't think he'll have and fold a better ace often enough. (Among other things, he might have 3-bet preflop if he held AK/AQ, which would have flopped overs and a gutshot.)

Re: A3s - river wussiness
 

Gotcha...and agreed. When he folds if you bet here it's usually because you have the best hand.