Flop + turn call...
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls. Flop: (10 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls. Turn: (10 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Button calls, Hero calls... Life sucks. Did I do okay? Krishan |
Re: Flop + turn call...
your out are super tainted. i would find a fold on the flop. call me a nit.
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Re: Flop + turn call...
personally i cant decide which call i think is worse.
what was your thought process for each? |
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your out are super tainted. i would find a fold on the flop. call me a nit. [/ QUOTE ] How many outs do I have? Krishan |
Re: Flop + turn call...
I'd still muck this on the flop. Assuming everyone behind you call, you're getting immediate odds of 9:1. With implied odds of hitting you can make up the extra BB, but it's still not that great a hand even when a 7 hits. Someone could be raising/calling with JT, or you could be chopping with a fellow 6. One of your "7" outs is tainted too because of the flush draw. You also have to worry about UTG possibly 3-betting. This combo makes me fold this even in a big pot such as this.
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Re: Flop + turn call...
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personally i cant decide which call i think is worse. what was your thought process for each? [/ QUOTE ] I calculated my outs, determined the likelyhood that it would be raised again behind me, looked at the size of the pot, considered implied odds and then decided it was a call. Krishan |
Re: Flop + turn call...
k,
I think you can let this go on the flop. A 3-bet from UTG destroys your EV here. |
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I'd still muck this on the flop. Assuming everyone behind you call, you're getting immediate odds of 9:1. With implied odds of hitting you can make up the extra BB, but it's still not that great a hand even when a 7 hits. Someone could be raising/calling with JT, or you could be chopping with a fellow 6. One of your "7" outs is tainted too because of the flush draw. You also have to worry about UTG possibly 3-betting. This combo makes me fold this even in a big pot such as this. [/ QUOTE ] Nice analysis. I do hate any draw that competes with JT. Krishan |
Re: Flop + turn call...
my intial reaction is the turn call getting 15:2 not closing the action with at best 6 outs is thin.
The spade straight/set outs are dirty, a set may not win v. a bigger set or a somebody with a seven and a rivered gutshot may hook up JT/QJ. But then again the risk of BB raising here seems small (although UTG may re-open the betting) and your implied odds look good. I still fold the turn. Similar problems exist on the flop but your super implied odds are even better there so I don't mind that codlcall so much but its still close at best. |
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[ QUOTE ] your out are super tainted. i would find a fold on the flop. call me a nit. [/ QUOTE ] How many outs do I have? Krishan [/ QUOTE ] between 0 and 6. |
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