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MisterKing 07-30-2005 08:52 PM

OOP on defense, your turn and river action?
 
Second orbit at the table, so unfortunately I'm in the dreaded "no reads" category here. Table has been fairly loose overall, and not too crazy aggressive. My 3-bet PF is standard fare when I think I'm facing a steal, and really my question here is how you're handling the turn and river streets. Weak as it was, I think check/call, check/call wins me the most when ahead & loses me the least when behind. The standard wa/wb line of betting on the river unfortunately makes villain fold KK-TT here too often, though I'spose AK/AQ aren't raising me for fear of two pair.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

This call is pretty thin, but I think it isn't 100% unreasonable. His PF cap means he has a hand, but it doesn't necessarily mean a better Ace or a pair bigger than jacks. I'm check/folding the turn UI, of course.

Turn: (5.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

tongni 07-30-2005 08:58 PM

Re: OOP on defense, your turn and river action?
 
Bet the river.

kapw7 07-30-2005 09:11 PM

Re: OOP on defense, your turn and river action?
 
I bet the river. Why do you think KK-TT will fold here? Without reads I would say they will never fold. But they can check and lose you 1 bet.

Subfallen 07-30-2005 09:35 PM

Re: OOP on defense, your turn and river action?
 
[ QUOTE ]
The standard wa/wb line of betting on the river unfortunately makes villain fold KK-TT here too often...

[/ QUOTE ]

Hmmm, if this is true, 9T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is an auto-bet on this river, and, honestly, how often do you gaybluff 9T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] here? My point is:

People never fold.
People never fold.
People never fold.

Bet the river.


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