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POKhER 07-29-2005 08:42 PM

kq
 
Button PT stats = 50/0/.53 OVER 100 HANDS.
PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, Hero folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.10 (All-In).

Turn: (3.70 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (3.70 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: 3.70 BB]

I'm fed up of passive guys calling me down and beating my bluffing aggresive bets. So i wondered..how do you think i playedthis?

Preflop call EP is ok right KQo? SSH i think says this.

Check flop, I know some of you bet this? OK but do you fold to this bet?

SoftcoreRevolt 07-29-2005 08:51 PM

Re: kq
 
Raise this preflop, and dump on the flop as you did.

Shillx 07-29-2005 08:54 PM

Re: kq
 
I would fold this.

If the flop were J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and I had KQ [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I would raise everytime.

Brad

12ozLongneck 07-29-2005 08:56 PM

Re: kq
 
KQo is a PF raise for me.

On the flop, you have the nut nothing and you're getting bet into by a very passive player. I'm folding here.

POKhER 07-29-2005 08:56 PM

Re: kq
 
raise, Even with the better most likly holding (what we would assume) is a jack? and we havin 7:1 to improve(to better hand we hope).

Im getting slaughtered by passive callers who just keep calling me down, so im trying to find the bestmoments to stop firing away at the flops/Turns etc trying to make the oponant fold.

Killing my BR [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] and winding me up.

07-29-2005 09:01 PM

Re: kq
 
[ QUOTE ]

Im getting slaughtered by passive callers who just keep calling me down, so im trying to find the bestmoments to stop firing away at the flops/Turns etc trying to make the oponant fold.


[/ QUOTE ]

Fire with +EV, stop firing with -EV.

You WANT passive callers, quit complaning.

Fantam 07-29-2005 09:02 PM

Re: kq
 
You were correct to fold the flop with this hand.

If you are playing loose tables, then raising preflop with KQo is fine from early position, because your starting hand is likely to be much better than most of your opponents.

POKhER 07-29-2005 09:08 PM

Re: kq
 
Small Stakes Holdem chart says to call in EP?

Add some variation now, what do you do here?

Button now(Same hand but lets say its new guy) is 14/4.7/2.4

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Variation 2


PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>

SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, Hero .....

Aggressive guy now, so do we assume its a bluff? HAs he got an ace? Tiny pot fold? Whats the factors in your decision.

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PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.10 (All-In).

Turn: (4.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

<font color="red"> Button bets</font> , Hero?

Raise? Fold? Call?


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GUY IS VERY PASSIVE PRE/POST FLOP NOW

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.10 (All-In).

Turn: (4.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

<font color="red"> Button bets</font> , Hero?

Raise? Fold? Call?

POKhER 07-29-2005 09:09 PM

Re: kq
 
Yeh but betting when the pot is less than your odds???

How do i know what my EV is? I dont quiet understand your comment.

Thanks for explanation in advanced,
POKhER.
p.s. Most times im beat by anything, because im totally bluffing unless i catch my 7:1 odd to improve.

SoftcoreRevolt 07-31-2005 02:41 AM

Re: kq
 
Don't call with just undercards, especially with people left to act behind you. The bettor could be aggressive, passive, whatever. You are drawing to LESS than top pair and will more often than not lose when you improve your 6 out draw.


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