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doubledummy 07-27-2005 11:29 PM

Is calling this dumb?
 
I'm sorry for the way this will be posted but I don't have access to the hand record so cannot post it in the usual way.
I'll try to provide as much detail as I can.

Playing at a $25 NL table. I have $28 UTG+1 has $31 M3 has $24.75 all other are irrelevant.

Dealt KT spades on the button, UTG, folds UTG+1 Raises to $1 2 folds, M3 calls folded to me I call both blinds fold. Pot=$3.35
Flop 10c As 6s
UTG+1 bets $4 M3 Raises all in.

Here is the question, with Middle pair and drawing to the nut flush is it a good call. I suspect 1 of them to be on either trips, 2 pair or TPTK.

Thanks in advance and sorry for posting the hand this way.

bweiser8311962 07-27-2005 11:41 PM

Re: Is calling this dumb?
 
i'd throw it away. even if you make your flush, it might not be good by the river.

yellowjack 07-28-2005 12:16 AM

Re: Is calling this dumb?
 
Calling would be dumb.

stu-unger 07-28-2005 12:31 AM

Re: Is calling this dumb?
 
fold fold fold fold-u dont have the odds to draw and u dont have the best hand.

doubledummy 07-28-2005 12:35 AM

Re: Is calling this dumb?
 
Thanks guys, it's what I expected just wanted to make sure I wasn't giving up $$.

For what it's worth UTG+1 had the AK of clubs and M3 had pocket 6's

bkfizz02 07-28-2005 01:34 AM

Re: Is calling this dumb?
 
Yes, in general, this would be a bad call because you know you will be behind far too often. You're going to need to improve and you won't get there often enough.

I figure that the situation you had was about as GOOD as it gets GIVEN the action you observed. Specifically, bottom set vs TPTK, none of your suit. I guess perhaps if first villain had AQ of clubs, this would improve your hand.

Look at the expected value of your stack if the hand plays out various ways :

(1) You fold
Your stack : $27 (0)
(2) You move in, TPTK calls behind you :
you'd have 30.45% equity in main pot of 74.25 and
45.10% equity in side pot of 6.50

Your stack : 22.61+2.93 = $ 25.54 (-1.46)

(3) You call, and TPTK folds knowing his hand is awful:
you now have 32.1% equity in a pot of 54.85

Your stack : $17.61 (-9.39)

I really think TPTK should be able to fold his hand given 2 reraise all-in in front of him, so you're looking at choosing between (1) and (3) most of the time, given the best reasonable interpretion of the action in front of you.

In hindsight, knowing your opponents cards shows it is an easy fold. In gametime, I think it should be even more clear.

Good luck.


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