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Cleveland Guy 07-25-2005 06:48 PM

Is this too weak tight?
 
I check called the flop so I could check-raise the turn. I didn't like it when the 3rd 9 fell on the turn.

$50 PLO - 5 handed.

Hero is BB with JJKT. 1 Suit.

UTG limps, Button Raises to 2, SB Folds, Hero Calls, UTG Calls.

Flop J99.

Hero Checks, UTG bets 3. Button Folds. Hero Calls.

Turn - 9

Hero Checks, UTG Bets 3. Hero Calls.

River - x

Hero Check, UTG Bets 5. Hero Calls.

Both of us started the hand with over $60

IronDragon1 07-25-2005 06:54 PM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
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I check called the flop so I could check-raise the turn. I didn't like it when the 3rd 9 fell on the turn.

$50 PLO - 5 handed.

Hero is BB with JJKT. 1 Suit.

UTG limps, Button Raises to 2, SB Folds, Hero Calls, UTG Calls.

Flop J99.

Hero Checks, UTG bets 3. Button Folds. Hero Calls.

Turn - 9

Hero Checks, UTG Bets 3. Hero Calls.

River - x

Hero Check, UTG Bets 5. Hero Calls.

Both of us started the hand with over $60

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While this isn't the main reason why I advocate coming over the top with overfulls in lower limit (and loose) PLO games-it certainly is one of them

That being said-if you don't have a read on this player-I suppose playing it safe isn't the worst thing in the world

autobet 07-25-2005 07:54 PM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
Calling is okay. What is he going to call you with if your hand is good?

Actually you should be think of folding unless the bettor is a maniac.

TheRempel 07-25-2005 07:58 PM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
After the flop your play is fine but you really should be raising the nut fulls on the flop some of the time. I expect he showed down AA or possibly KK since you're asking if your play was too weak tight.

Cleveland Guy 07-25-2005 09:10 PM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
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Calling is okay. What is he going to call you with if your hand is good?

Actually you should be think of folding unless the bettor is a maniac.

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I understand not raising, but what would make you think to fold here?

IronDragon1 07-25-2005 11:21 PM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
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Calling is okay. What is he going to call you with if your hand is good?

Actually you should be think of folding unless the bettor is a maniac.

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I understand not raising, but what would make you think to fold here?

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The poster's rationale was likely that the flop bet indicated interest in the hand e.g a nine.

However, I would not fold here just because such a smallish flop bet could easily indicate a high pocket pair just trying to see if they can get you off the hand without being too committed.

joewatch 07-25-2005 11:30 PM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
With these stupid tiny bets, I think you are forced to call down to the river. It Villain had potted on the turn or river, I could definitely see myself folding. Sometimes you fold the best hand, but hey, that's poker. Play to win the most money and lose the least, and never, never be a calling station. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Cleveland Guy 07-26-2005 12:52 AM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
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After the flop your play is fine but you really should be raising the nut fulls on the flop some of the time. I expect he showed down AA or possibly KK since you're asking if your play was too weak tight.

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He did show down KK88 - for 9s full of kings.

There are plenty of times I raise the nut full on the flop, I just felt I could get more out of raising it on the turn.

That was just an ugly Turn card I didn't want to see. It seems like giving my flop check/call - my turn and river were correct.

I felt this hand was too strong to lay down to those bets, but part of me thought he was trapping. And even if he did plan to re-raise with just Kings full, I would have had to lay down to any raise by him, which is why I kept check/calling.

Adding - it's easy to say I should have raised this up on the flop, but then if he folds to my raise, you wonder if you could have gotten more. So there are downsides to both plays.

Spellmen 07-26-2005 02:42 AM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
I don't think it's too weaktight. There are certain opponents I may raise against, but you are going to be shown quad 9s alot so I think given the small bets calling down is the best plan.

Tilt 07-26-2005 09:24 AM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
Played fine IMO. Against some players I might min-raise that weak river bet for value. Most of the time I would just call it down like you did.


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